Kathleen Mary Griffin is an American comedian and actress. She has starred in several comedy specials for cable TV and has released several comedy albums. In 2007 and 2008, Griffin won Primetime Emmy Awards for her reality show Kathy Griffin: My Life on the D-List. She has also appeared on TV and on film numerous times, mainly in supporting roles.Born in Oak Park, Illinois, she moved to Los Angeles in 1978, where she studied drama at the Lee Strasberg Theatre and Film Institute and became a member of the improvisational comedy troupe The Groundlings. In the 1990s, Griffin began performing as a stand-up comedian and also appeared as a guest star on several television shows. She achieved wider recognition after her role as a supporting character in the NBC sitcom Suddenly Susan (1996–2000).Her Bravo reality show Kathy Griffin: My Life on the D-List (2005–2010) became a ratings hit for the network and earned her two Emmy Awards for Outstanding Reality Program. Griffin has released six comedy albums, all of which received Grammy Award nominations. Her first album, For Your Consideration (2008), made her the first female comedian to debut at the top of the Billboard Top Comedy Albums chart. In 2009, she released her autobiography, Official Book Club Selection: A Memoir According to Kathy Griffin.View the profile
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Kara Swisher, Recode editor-at-large and New York Times contributing opinion writer, sits down with award-winning comedian Kathy Griffin for an interview for Swisher's Recode Decode podcast. Each known for their candid styles, Swisher and Griffin dive deep into the last 18 months of Griffin's career, which included death threats and being the subject of two federal investigations. The interview will mark Griffin's first appearance at SXSW, ahead of the debut of her concert film, "Kathy Griffin: A Hell of a Story."
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Kara Swisher 11:09 in the morning to get what are you explain the photo? You know, I've been cans from Bravo right piece of shit Andy Cohen with his no telling them in my industry for a long time. And I know since I was about forty they've been trying to put me out to pasture and you know, I don't have like a big, you know, Lorne Michaels type or Judd Apatow type to have my back or a studio or you know Social media and try to make you guys laugh so that day I worked at the shooter name Tyler Shields and he had taken some other photos of be before
that. We're good. He's a good shooter, but I'm a little pissed at him cuz he won't give me the copyright a picture like change my life around with belief. But you know, he came over with just Him and a couple of rows and you know, I saw the very last photo today and the very last photo we didn't elaborate and say let's do a photo that shames Trump in some way and response to even though I can't stand Megyn Kelly, but I also didn't like when Trump said there's blood coming out of her eyes blood coming out of her
wherever so the inspiration was as deep as this if you can handle it, I just saw it and so it was a Halloween mask and it was one of my styrofoam wig heads up folding like his balls. Strips on them every morning I will stay on topic. So so so took this photo to be like some verses I sat for the funny like yeah, it's a joke and makes him laugh. That's fine. But I kind of felt like it was a little more of a just like a middle finger. So what happened was took the photo and I was so naive that the photographer for some reason gave it to TMC.
If you guys don't know this TMZ is a guilty pleasure blog run by a self-loathing gay man named Harvey Levin and his big dig out that he has a fuck his balls and everybody in Hollywood have scared of involved. Will I see open the fucking fall? All right. I got nothing to hide. So I'm not afraid of those guys anymore, but I will say in my business people think TMZ is the news like they pretty much tickets the post and so the, Washington Is anyway so it started with the photo and I believe you entitled just tipped. Did you think at all that there was
any possibility for 2 days. I really thought it was you know, I was clearly, you know, I actually purposely did a stoic look on my face and directly on very animated. I purposely were like this. Hi collar thing. And you know, it's holding up a Halloween mask, by the way, if I hadn't been like a full-body dummy that probably would have been fine. And so then started with the Griffin has joined Isis and severed the president's head. Which I'm not a surgeon but I don't think that's feasible and then go back to work work. So
it spread like wildfire and I love that whole Thirty am I slipping out? So all those other Publications picks it up very very Reverend Isis that you were nice. It was just worried that he was actually president there been threats and things like that and I were the AL queda beheadings or anything like that. You weren't no but I will tell you I did a tragic still kept out because my good pal Rosie O'Donnell, who is the preeminent expert at being told by Donald Trump. He's been after her for like 13 years and she
called me and she said what If Daniel Pearl's mother saw this and that's why I did the apology video when then all my comedian friends called me and they said why do apologize so I just want to be clear everyone turned on me left right and Center, you know, the right wing had a field day. And they still are like I meant that photos in the new NRA ad it's in the new National GOP ad it was in several local GOP races during the midterms. It's been manipulated. It shows up at every rally that people make a lot of more Trump's holding my head stuff like that. So in the way that it went more than
viral is not something I could have seen because I wasn't aware they had that apparatus ready to go leggings, you know, a wood chipper. I called the wood chipper because it's really no different than what they did to like Little Marco and lions head and stuff. But I was the first celebrity. So the reason I called Rosie O'Donnell right that the name the name, but she didn't have to go under federal investigation by two federal agencies. So what happened was the next day I got a call from my attorney and he said the Secret Service is open to open file on you and the US
attorney's office and the part that I want to tell people because I want people to know they Rights in this lot of Mythology about what they can and can't do but they wanted me to go downtown to the jail downtown and a jumpsuit and cuffs and they wanted video of a perp Walk So Over My Dead Body would that happen? Cuz it's by the way, I did show that photo to my lawyers before I post it or not stupid. I work in the first amendment is my commodity and my lawyer is rightly so said, yeah, it's well within the bounds the First Amendment so I didn't break the law be I
didn't file at the First Amendment. So I didn't know what they had in mind. But the investigation I'm I think was to intimidate me and my entire tour the rest of my tour was canceled within 12 hours and TMZ was reporting the tour cancellations in real time, which is odd and you know, then I just became toxic and everybody became scared you would check with your lawyer that this was okay to I sent it to him and I said, can I post this Friday said yes anytime you think that it was tasteless or something like that? He's the president whatever you think of him is the president because it's
him the reason I did something so extreme with him what time he hired me to roast him. So he acts like he doesn't know my stick. He does. What did you say at the time, That's the cocktail like golf course that we're all here for Bedminster whatever it's called and said she was on her happy pills that day. So I just wanted to keep an eye on her. And and so when Trump approach to me like every other bully, she'd hired me to roast him and he comes toward me with the guns hanging out and his balls are out filling out his like, you know, please him so gross.
And anyway, he comes up his little older shoes don't make any jokes about the hair like, you know, so course I made as many jokes as I could but he didn't feel it which I thought was incredible like I touched it and he's had no reaction to it. So I did it a second time and he still didn't even feel it. So it's like a shellacked sculpture Billy Ray Cyrus meets comb-over rebuilding my life on the d-list or one of my specials and right. He'd be doing The Apprentice or I seen around New York in some way and he would show up at the
opening of an envelope envelope opening one time, but I actually spent quite a bit of time with him one time. There was a roast for Larry King who was like it like it's hundred 20th birthday party icing and So there was a dais and the other is the audience is watching you eat dinner prior to like a little roasts and I was in between the Donald and Gilbert godfried. I have never been more in love with Gilbert in my life because because Trump just it was just that like waa waa waa the Charlie Brown teacher and he
kept saying non secretory of shit that mean looked in and I knew he was stupid but I didn't know he was like Britney Spears stupid like the Pappy to be stupid or Britney's like fine with it. And so the reason I wanted to do something really truly. I mean, I remember watching every day of the Watergate hearings that I truly never thought in my lifetime anything like this could happen and now I believe it's worth. All right, so you put the photo out for Hillary Clinton decided who is Perseus and Medusa.
And all the fuss about Kathy Griffin, it was obviously a send-up of Perseus and Medusa, which I've never heard of so I just need you guys to send up a Perseus and Medusa know I'm the woman she had snake with her face in front of people that Turn to Stone when you don't have a lot of people I'd like to turn to Stone that was that you were inciting violence in suggesting Fascination. Suddenly all the the virality went into gas. So you were canceled by the internet like essentially
And they actually have the ticker. It says CNN fires Isis number Kathy Griffin for the New Jersey broadcast. So I know you're not a member of Isis and still for sale that get up too early cuz there on those jungle bars at like 6 a.m. That is not my gig. And so by the way, it's taking me a long time to even be able to make that joke because I've had so many people confront me on the street and they're convinced. I'm in Isis and I'm there tiny pedophiles in something qanon to and yeah.
Okay. C's the proud boys. They all come at me and some guy named Charlie Kirk who's got like fans are like help members and it's you know, and they don't play online the death wrestler immediate from stuff it up your pussy and then cut you in the middle like that was their most popular way of wanting to kill me and it was graphic. And so what happened with that or die cancelled was people started Calling the theaters and I really don't put a death retro nurse because normally doing right or Blue Man Group. I'm not used to someone
saying I don't want to go see this Isis number to Comedy. So I later found out they were all robocalls, which was like devastating to me. So when I talk about the Trump wood chipper, I've just learned so much and I have a weird feeling I might show up in some of that David Packer stuff because now that I am I has, you know, okay and Life & Style at all, right? I wouldn't be surprised if there was like an email from Don Jr. Saying, you know, let America our family doesn't just want to ruin Kathy Griffin's career. We want to decimate her right so and he's Eddie Munster from the show The
Munsters it is in fact historic Monroe. I did a lot of research on this cuz I didn't want to be spouting off but I am actually the first person that has had a sitting United States president use the full power of the oval The First Family. Department of Justice in the entire right-wing media to try to ruin a private citizen being a 58 year old female comedian with a big mouth and everything. He believes in is is why he should have chose me and I also didn't I didn't have any
infrastructure in place to really protect me. So it's been a long slog don't you were also to instantly you got the death rattle and we'll get some social media companies a minute and what they do you like falling into that fucking call. You are not fat fucking guys nuts days. He said that he sucks. I know I was working for your eyes 0.1% So what are you doing? How do you deal with these people any times he does he says he wants to die on Mars. Just The investigating you they put you on the do not fly list. I was on the no-fly list
on the Department of Justice called why because they thought and I have a very good I got I got blue by that piece of shit Lisa Bloom there. So I had a disastrous press conference. She's horrible and I'm also allowed to say that cuz it's only my opinion she is bad and it's a feminist. All right. So then I had to call my actual first amendment attorney who I've been with for years who actually was his funeral and didn't pick up the phone that day. So that's kind of how it went down. So I got blue but is in a landmark
Supreme Court case Jerry Falwell vs. Hustler magazine. So my theory has been if you can get Larry Flynt off you can handle me. He did a very good job. His office every single day she coming in today is you coming in and I just thought that sounded far and above what they would typically do certainly to a comedian. And so he had to negotiate that I wouldn't go downtown and do the perp walk but I was interrogated under oath in his office and what they were considering they took two months to consider whether or not in charge me with conspiracy to assassinate the president of the United States.
My lawyer said a situation where do I need a modem with my client, you know, it wasn't like that and so he said only for him saying I love you kid, but you fuck up and you leaving top so it was a very serious matter and we had practice and Dunn murder rooms and all that stuff. So you are on the do not fly so you can go anywhere couldn't go anywhere and I I travel for life. So that was that was bad and you the other celebrities had insulted. Will see it and got in
trouble by the way, and he was hilarious. So that was like match laugh and his beard wife making that built it up. I don't clean out your fucking match laugh while he looks like Channing Tatum on a video but you know ice I actually was at the White House Correspondents Dinner Michelle did really well and I saw Matt and his wife Mercedes leaving. They started tweeting that the whole room. This is his Mass Exodus and that just wasn't true. Cuz if so now that it's happened to me, I determine the right stuff
with other no other male celebrities Johnny Depp Snoop Dogg crip or a safe right? I'll just got a threatening thing and he said he just has like a 10 minute phone call with the Secret Service and that was it. I know Johnny Depp was just mysteriously photograph of this Make-a-Wish kid four days later and he look hammered even during the picture I'm not going to lie but you know he had to make sure he can you know be up and working so I think in a way I was the perfect Target Dude Perfect area so we can
easy Target and said there's no bad publicity there's there is bad publicity there such a thing as bad publicity. Then you didn't mind like trash and I've been in trouble but never first enemy enemy I got a lot of those now what I won my first Emmy and I wanted to do a speech that was like funny cuz I think it's funny I remember thank Jesus for words and so I won my first Emmy and I said you know I just want to say Jesus has nothing to do this so I could Cheese's this award is my God now
so Some like religious groups took out full-page ads in USA Today per second DirecTV commercial got it, right. So that's Hollywood open investigation. You can you don't even I didn't have an opportunity to even through my name or say, you know, it was a statement. And as you guys know there's a long history of comedians doing this sort of thing. And I thought the shooter was going to give it to TMZ. I thought I was going to send you like they're Spiegel or Charlie
hebdo or something right for a paper magazine. So once it's on TMZ, then it's on all their ancillary like show me goes around and it's good ship for where to buy the Box start. And you know I had to learn with Bots were and then there was a debate over no. No, you're just trying to make it better. These are real people and then I started getting old timey male cuz a lot of trumped-up bags and her smell like a cartoon and they're all toys are real. Those are those
are real people that really think I'm in Isis and because it's so believable and they would say once again their favorite method as they would say, I want to shoot you in the car and cut your head off and then stuff your head up your comments and that was like the same old straight guys and stuff. Not exactly my demo the old timey male and some of them would you like stickers and put like a lot of withdraw me without a head and shit, so that went on and then the FBI started calling me and they have like three levels of clearance.
A little thank you. Anyway when you get a phone call if the lawyer gets a phone call. It's like kind of a threat when they would call me personally. It was jacked up a little bit. And then as I said in the tape on their ironically the day I filmed the movie the FBI did a no-knock which means they feel the threat is imminent. And so, you know, I was sleeping in that day cuz I performance that night. I was in my PJs and every time the FBI comes over they never
laugh at this joke Norm on Cheers like to know where everybody knows your name over and they said that the Maga bomber was already in custody and they said that he has shared his list with like-minded people and I said, okay and I said, can you tell me how many and they said? No. I said so you can't tell me who and they said no, and then they suggested that I open my mailbox standing 10 feet away from it. Like the S Seen On TV old lady right? But I'd have to get like two of them. So now I just stand in front of it. I go Kaboom. I just opened it myself but
on the other hand, it's likes. It's been so much of a deluge. I had incidents at almost every show on the American League of my chore meaning they'll get up and yell at you go fund me for some guy that they flew into one of my Philadelphia shows were sold out the first one had to as a double. Hay and he was like a guy or whatever and so he was in the second row and he starts yelling that I'm a pedophile. By the way. I do have to walk me through how they trumper's then turned into calling like Tom Hanks a pedophile
is Sarah Silverman pedophile now. Not true and yelling that I was a pedophile and then I got it down to a system where my store manager and I have a security meeting personally with everything that I do and I really wanted to play Call cuz I thought this material wouldn't work in 500 seater. So here are play the Long Center, which is amazing and in New York. I played video City and Carnegie and soul. Cardigan 24 hours and very proud of that so I know right so I thought there is a story that people want to hear. There's just a disconnect which is the fans were coming
out really around the world. And so I'm now global if nothing else working at your work in Hollywood has dried up I am I don't have one single day of paid work ahead of me for the rest of my life for concert except for that. I don't have any concerts coming up and you can't get anyone to distribute. Does he pay you for this video that I thought because it is historic and even if it's just on the shelf for 10 years or something like that. So I wanted to just do that. Right
when no one from any of the TV or streaming service is even talk to me or what? Netflix not Amazon none of them and what do they say to you one of them women do have more power in show business, but did this day there's not one female that can actually signed a check. So as much power is Shonda Rhimes has she still has to kick it up to the white dinosaur to get a show Bramlett. So there are still like on the six old white dinosaurs. One of them used to be Leslie moonves, but
he's gone if I can go. Anyway, is there a light that they're already enrolled gross and they're all behind the times and all that shit. So I would be trying to express like well if the big boss doesn't want to give me the time of day. Can you at least give me the stats for might or might or gross 4.4 million dollars worldwide and you know, I probably made about $75 over my career and I did a little experiment which is he called the One of the biggest free agencies in Hollywood and said what if I
could bring you his first question was and this owner who I've known for a million years said. Oh Kathy Griffin. That is a Life's Too Short situation. So the same friend called the same agent a month later and said what if I could bring you an actor I know and this guy has made $75 over his career in the agent goes I would call that a priority client and my friend goes. Well, that guy is Kathy Griffin and he seems like you know, so what do you get a job at Amazon or Netflix or the more
facile? I'm hoping they'll come around and I'm hoping the weather would see all my dollar or they see possibilities or they see like at least so historic value of the show. Although I try to make the show funny first, but there's it's been a funny. There's not a funny cuz it was really scary. And I also I need to tell people, you know, I was at when I was When I finally exonerated I knew I could only do concerts overseas. So the cool thing is I did really well and you guys knows if you traveled like if it was a
cafe or any place pretty much stayed here in American accent and be like what the fuck you guys doing what's going on? You know, you were the Bastion of Liberty and so, you know, I would deal with that but the audiences were really hungry and I think the fact that I know Trump sort of looks like another layer and the extent of the investigation and indecent to which they're willing to go to and I was obviously just a shiny object. I mean, I thought it was days after Robert Mueller have been assigned, you know, when he's in trouble
dumping the photo. I don't because number one. He really did. He really has a calming like he really deserves, you know, just just I mean he deserves what he has done to others. Probably most. I mean most of the probably agree that most egregious thing is the zero tolerance kids in cages thing not to mention violence and he didn't eat out. There's just so many things but like I said, it's 58. I just saw it. Okay this you know, if you're not going to take a
stand now with the fuck you waiting for her. So I was just I just want to get the story out there. And by the way, they can take your phone and SIM card at airports in America. So that was a rumor that I also heard. So I was then put on the Interpol list. So when I went overseas, my first show was in Auckland New Zealand, and that was the first time I was detained and I was then detained at every single airport, which is what do they do when they heat it's actually really scary. They take your passport and they take your device, you know your phone and they put you in like a detention room
like the brick The Breakfast Club, I guess. And they don't tell you what they're doing, but their eyes would like alternative saucers. So to this day, I don't know what's on my passport. Right? But it's bad then they call the supervisor and they take my passport in my phone and they go away. Sometimes it'll be 20 minutes. Sometimes it would be two hours and you just sitting there not knowing what's going to happen. This is really going slowly changes of a misogyny, right? So what are the things you would you mind if I read something you texted me? I asked you I
hate that. I have Amy Klobuchar right before you so get ready for some call and talk about the issues around being a bad boy like that and you wrote me, you know, you know what that whole thing is such Hillary Clinton. Bulshit big deal. She threw a binder at someone. I'd fire an assistant who brought me salad without utensils as well. Maybe that assist it wouldn't be happier working for Mark Meadows Amy Klobuchar Neverfull that or vagina in front of a co-worker so I can guarantee you that yashar Ali started this nonsense campaign it take him to Woodshed for it,
but I'm saving all my fire for Jack Dorsey fuck him in his place on the fucking Spectrum. Love your new best friend Kathy Griffin. I speak freely. I speak not the vagina, but the bad boss and gets it 20 times more than other. I mean are you kidding? I don't care. I'm not going to let anybody see my Volvo once I know that's crazy. And I also think I also think I mean knowing the Donald has to be addressed as the Donald Wright which is the weird in itself. Right and he's such an idiot. But I think that he is the type of man that
sings and resents the audacity that I at my age would even dream of staying in the game my inner Joan Rivers. I want to you know, basically died on stage and I don't ever really want to retire and I love what I do. That's so yeah. I know in just a minute really didn't Santa Fe and who did you know, I mean soccer didn't surprise me cuz he's just a douchebag. He's also not smart enough to run a z u c k e r Is looker like hooker I was like, okay. You got me anyway, it's just you know, even though I was like
exonerated. It's like it just those two guys don't roll like that. Like that wouldn't be inside them. I don't think to say, oh it turns out this was kind of a smear campaign and we kind of know what this is and there's a lot of manipulation of the image and I will tell her just that I really loved him as a friend and you know give you a heads-up or call or anything like that. So have you spoken to him since no, no not at all cuz every minute I hate watched it. It was a
disaster. I was in heaven talking about chemistry. Did you take about reaching out to him again, or did you actually did send me one text that wasn't particularly nice and I just wrote back and honestly, I just I just said it's okay if I reach out to your mom because I really was friendlier with his mom Gloria Vanderbilt Globe Andy. He said yes, and so I wrote I just wrote her an email and you know, I just said I appreciated her friendship and I said however you want to proceed is fine with me and I just really want to gush over her she was
a really good friends and you expect to ever have a discussion with him about that. This a billion days are on my side. I mean there was I got like a couple days after the photo one of the gays sent me a photo of all the gays dress like me on fire. End with like mock heads during a parade and all the other day. So I mean that's that. I think it's bad as my kinship with the LGBT community is I think you know, we share a being on the outside looking in liking to be subversive having to fight harder for everything jump
higher fight harder. That's what I think. So I think that's a that's kind of the natural relationship. And yeah, I don't know what's going to happen. I can say none of the power days have like give me a gig or anything but they might be too scared to I don't know. I don't know what was going to happen to mention Jack Dorsey on the fucking Spectrum the tech companies because you you have issues I do because you know, I now have a little bit of understanding but this is your area that I was put into the like Beyond right and so
You know, I didn't know that these tech companies had you know agents ready, and I know that I never seen that guy in 60 minutes Brad parscale Parcells. That fucker is dirty. All right, he should be in front of grand jury, by the way. I'm in charge of the grand jury. But as I as I was taking such an online beatdowns, I was also learning at the same time. Some of the non Robots coming after me is it like I said, I had to educate myself about all these trumper's in the subgroups and the rise of Nazism among young people because I'm from Oak Park Illinois, and
it was just really big deal. I don't know if you guys have to the Nazis who is like a Civic event like the whole city talked about it for years and people protested and they never came back. So it blows my makes me really sad that there's now a whole new generation getting this information that turns them into full-blown Nazis. And so you've got all like the Breitbart folks and tied in with that group in and I did not know that some of them Like large social media presence has and Beth are followers have no interest in legit news at all.
So that's why companies do what I want. First of all, he shouldn't reside the first order of business he needs to resign because I got sucked into member when he was covering Ferguson. I never thinking like always like this forward-thinking guy and he's going to document the riots in Ferguson and that's good for him next thing, you know, he's like not Banning any of these Nazis or super far right tune on folks and stuff and I don't I don't believe they don't have the capability, but you can answer that question. Do they
have is it really truly out of their hands know? What the fuc Yeah. What the fuck? Are you calling I can but not right now. What's call Amanda on speaker? NL and like threaten them. So I also called one of the Nazis in Charlottesville the crying one Chris Hartwell and I was like, hey, it's the way it's very smart of me to identify myself. What does that entail now? I just think of that part. So take all the women to say about Lena and every time I've tried to lean and I broke my fucking
knows she should have written a sequel. But anyway, I don't know what their game is because how much money do you need and if they were taking rubles Etc and you can tell me but I wouldn't I would suspect it's more than just Russians, right? That is something that I fear because I don't see them making any moves and their testimony in front of the Senate was just really embarrassing for the Senate. They didn't know an iPhone from Google right for real gohmert. And so, you know, I just I don't see them signaling
anything that they want to protect things. I always say is they don't they want all the benefits of running the pipe and living they did not contact you when you started getting strafed on social media at all. Not at all. They never escalated you to like a VIP kind of status. They should have contacted you if you've gotten it if he reported that he is still in like everybody else the damn thing. I send it the robot. I heard a rumor that if you follow them for a minute and then block them it kills them at their bottles
that true. I don't think so. But they didn't contact you when no one no one contacting me. No, but the FBI. Nobody but the FBI none of the social media, what should happen to them? Should they be subject to regulation? We have to get more people in elected positions that know what social media is it know it how it works. So they don't know the questions to ask and I thought Zuckerberg testify testimony was frightening. I mean, seriously those beady eyes. I know it's a
joke. That's not a human. So I don't necessarily think he's real East Oaklawn is future a blood or is it ice we jump like a burger? Okay, they are as complicit or rather responsible for manipulating worldwide elections, right? You know, I mean it is on the rise in Germany. Where is you know, it was the only European country. I know it was at least technically illegal and even Italy It's getting kleptocracy. And so I say I blame them for all that, you know, I
was in London a month ago where I gave a speech on the First Amendment Oxford University Alpha coffee like John. So so anyway, one of the reasons I am here is obviously I was the first of many but I mean if they're stripped stripping John Brennan of his fucking security clearance, they will stop at nothing and my story is unique in that I did and do have the means to defend myself. But I've also met many many people as you know, the this inaugural had more protesters actually arrested and put in jail than any other an inaugural yet. So
I got to pay for these situations. And so that's one of the reasons I want to get the message out is it really is not a show this story. It's all feels like as we get there we can talk about unionizing, you know, indigenous women women that are forgotten when they've been incarcerated getting people have been incarcerated the right to vote when they get out and stuff like that. So, So, you know, I don't even understand like how Stuff Trends on Twitter like is that manipulated or those
actually the top 20 things people talking about. Well, they can push things if they push virality speed an engagement. That's what they're going to get. How do you do that that you can use? These are very specific. I want to know cuz she's so fucking Baldi. So I want to know what they have the nerve to say to you cuz you actually know how that shitt work, right? They tell me they're not that it's really hard after having previously. Let's role-play. Sorrelli. I'm embellishing. I'm in I'm in earnest. What's your question your fucking dick, bitch?
Are playing character? I'm blaming character. How do you like my beard? I'm in ZZ Top? And then what I do not know what to say. Are you really call these. I do they try to convince even you yet. Like we're trying we didn't see the rubles coming. We're trying really hard Cara. Don't be so mean to us. Oh my God, I will pick some fucking ass on your behalf. Let's see. What are you General thoughts on the 2010 elections and current candidates mazing stable
already. Social media is contributing to the right-wing notion that we have a bunch of horrible choices, and I think we have embarrassment of riches. So I personally would like to see a smart competent female president before I die. So that's where I'm coming from but But the good news is you know, I think there's many many stars in their particular favorite. Okay, so, okay good guy. I'd want to them grow up. Okay. Okay. Alright it is there a problem with hate speech in the US should it be regulated as it is in any other Democratic countries
first? I actually think they should be the Pioneers because as you know in anonymity is very different than if you yell fire in a theater, which is breaking the First Amendment. What I did is not freaking the first amendment's right in some regulation. Social media before you impose it on people and being a comedian, you know, we live in fear of free speech be limited anyway and journalists course, so I kind of wanted to have them try it online. So I would like him to
get rid of bots which they can do. I think we're moving to do during the Samantha Bee Roseanne Barr that it was really interesting the Bots don't care what side they just want to create Discord. They were doing the Roseanne is terrible and they were doing sambi is terrible and then Schulman's doing it Americans don't get their goal is so transparent. Well, I think a lot of people had a very well-known reporter. I know it was telling you Text him and say hey, that's a but you're arguing with your a good friend. I know I have to call. I like to get Kathy.
Are you single? I am single and I got to say my boyfriend was a rockstar during the whole thing. And it sucks. We just broke up for 4 months ago. So I don't know why all I can say is a relationship work until it didn't but he was a great guy and what's ironic is I referred him quite a bit in the film because he was with me for so many things right. So so you are single and are there any like 50 or like I want like a six-year-old attorney CPA Like I want a real job. Not you fucking venture capitalist with your
ass. Everything's people hang out. You said that saying you're close to being fluid, right? That's why I announced that I'm bipolar. Okay. Okay, okay. Have you ever been able to sweat anyone from the other side of pinion by sharing your story? Should we engage with racist misogynist excetra? Not at all. Not at all. I mean I have you know, I have a ton of relatives that don't talk to me. I will say that my ex's parents are big trumper's and they had news guns outside their house because his dad and he have the same name. So, you know that didn't help but I will say
this is the only funny story but the amount of people that's legit think I'm in isis's day is sort of funny now, but it's also shocking but that day my mom my beloved mother who I am. Sorry to say is now in the throes of dementia, but I sure you know her and she was is National Treasure a bunch of spots. Like my mom thought the fuck right, but the fuck you ever yell at her all the time right now. Tell my mom that day called me and it's a crazy day and I'm crying and I was at step and she calls me and she was watching Fox but her hearing aids
were in because they would have had the pedals in her hair. It's an old person and her vision was blurry going. So she goes I was watching my boyfriend Sean Hannity and he says you joined out Caden Caden could have joined. Why is enjoying Al queda so my own mother thought I'd join Del Sada and she says it and wanted me to take up like stamp collecting or a normal hobby. So it's just like a good way to track my own mother. The fact that I've been nothing but how does this impact
the world of tech? What is tomorrow's wind is in the Bezos thing? I think Bezos managed to hit back pretty hard himself. Yeah. He did he have to do that. He actually inspired me because I actually wrote a thread I have a next-door neighbor that I'm in a civil suit with and he's a Trumper and he stands at the wall with a shared wall That's the Kardashians used to live sessions were dream. I swear to God. I know that's hard to believe they were neighbors next door neighbor through this whole thing, which I hope if you see the film, I mean the
stories that got cut down as a box of rocks, but she's super sweet and really sweet like one day. I called her and I said my mom's really depressed. Can you send the kids over and she did was really sweet and so so happens, you know crazy. I called pops cuz he thinks he's Pablo Picasso, you know, he was Pablo and I was designer clothes and so I called which I'm this close and so he came back and I never heard from Pops. My boyfriend runs in the kitchen because holyshit you're not going to believe what time they
just did well who wouldn't react to that so I can what and soap pods comes home. And of course, I'm not going to bother him. This is serious day. He goes in the backyard and loud like at level 10. He flares up fucking Enya. art I cannot tell you that that's why we need the First Amendment. Are your other neighbor with the other neighbor and he calls me tons in a bitch and no Trump at the heat on your your bald diet? Cuz I didn't shave my head and saw there is my sister who would pass away from cancer two days prior to the incident. So anyway, I wrote a fret
about it and I ran it by all my very expensive lawyers and I really was kind of inspired by the Basil's meeting thing and I just thought you know, I need a visa CEO of a very powerful company call Katie Holmes and I saw it. His name is Jeffrey T measure in the meet you in times up movement that I thought. Well, what am I being quiet for cuz this guy so, you know, how do you spend your future is after this sort of career hit the documentary sounds brilliant and it
is by the way, but will take time should you go to Greece and open a club just like when sealing play the mr. How do you spend your future days with this sort of career hits the documentary sounds real but will take time. Should you go to Greece and open a club? Well, I would naturally I would have Lindsay be the same as someone you can count on butt and the little dancing so I spend my days working in producing and writing and pitching. I mean I have had more meetings. And I have met with every Network and streaming service and I
actually like I can't believe I'm here like this is the only yes, I've gotten into your intestines. You know several dudes didn't want to interview you but I was just good with it with it. How do you feel about Meghan McCain the right spots buzzwords? Okay. Alright First Bank you question. What's the advice you give a young woman entering the workforce today? Probably if Bruce Wallin in, in particular, don't do it, unless you love it because you're going to buy more than you do. Well, right and if you don't have a burning desire to do it, it's probably not your thing.
If you're just using it as a stepping stone, but what else until young women, especially women of color is I just am honest and I'll just say you're not going to get equal pay these chicks. Look at eighty-seven cents on the dollar God. Love them. And it's been like that my whole life, so I just told them you're going to have to work harder and jump higher and you're going to have to watch the guys get paid more and they may be better or the same or less lesser than you and there were capacity and I just think it's it's better to be honest about that because I'm chairman of the new times
not up yet campaign. I think it's great. But I think frankly under this Administration. It's struggling because it's hard to get movement when you got these two movements happening me too and time's up and then you've got this whole umbrella of complete sexism and Don Jr. Like making fun of me to etcetera. So I just say, you know know that you got to work harder and get in there and dig in and do whatever it takes and it's a lot of figuring out like for me I can't get in the front door. So I figure out a way to get the side window, but I would also say educate yourself like I
took over my own from Ocean to my tour business cuz the White Boys Live Nation weren't happy when I said, You know, I'd like to start promoting my own shows and they said you know, you think you're better promoter than us. And I said no you have to accept that picture over night made me a totally different type of artist. I can no longer play The Count Basie Theatre in Red Bank, New Jersey. Where are you should just go to make fun of the housewives. So, you know, this is the last tour had a specific Toby Keith. So I hired a DC
marketing company. I started my first mailing list at the ripe age of 57 and text list and that's really what sold out the door and you are different kind of artist now, you're not going to talk just about the same very cognizant will be with me and your toughest will change the topic that you cuz you didn't talk about politics. Are you talking about Housewives and Kim Fields Let's see which one did it to me one more time, you considered crowdfunding the release of your movie and I don't want hard-working people to like
give their money to me. So I did also did a lot of Charity stuff. Like I did the tongue tie in with Trevor Project and American Cancer Society and times up so I would do shows where ticket sales went to those events as well. And I'm actually going to start a run in La at the Laugh Factory, which is really how I like. My first serve big break and even though I said, I would never do clubs again. I'm going to do there's 5 Mondays in April and it's literally just going to be a new hour every week in the show is called Kathy Griffin and you are every week because if nothing else I'm prolific
and so maybe that will make the industry people go. Oh, she's not like he's guy comics that need like two at yours to come by the 20 minutes write the last question here, and I'm not doing it for free. Play yelling at you from speaking in a quick the sad part 7 you can feel it send it send it is and I want you to just come in this and then we can get going and go to work parties in finding a date attractive. Let's go see the movie. I'm the girl who never learned the
lesson. Yes. I'm Kathy Griffin, and I never learned my lesson. What is that mean all the things that I've done that a bunch of old white guys told me I shouldn't have done are the things that made me successful and that's why I proudly say I bought my house 10 and 1/2 million dollars cash because I'm friends with Suze Orman and Susie says girlfriend. And that's why I think it's important that women should have come out of the Shadows about money and talk about how much they make because that's how you'll know what your market value is Right can't
just believe the guy was telling you so last question. Do you have any of this now? It's still should I have to deal with like when I went to England there was like a driver dude that took me from London Heathrow to hotel and he said he was Moroccan and that if we were in Morocco he would cut my tongue off. So this is a month ago. And of course, I thought I could talk him out of it. I said are you aware of did President Trump called All of Africa's shitholecountries? And he said I don't believe it is the greatest president in history of America. So that's what you're dealing with. So I
assume he gets his information from social media. I mean, I'm assuming that and so yeah, it was just all about that's my new normal trying to get to a hotel before this guy cuts might well, that's a bummer. Age of a joke. I was in such a rage and he was really cool about it and fired the guy and all the stuff cuz I said I'm not going to be able to live with myself if I read a month from now like someone we got a fucking tongue cut out, you know, and so I filmed me read him the riot act and it seems like a really fancy hotel and I'm
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