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An Insight, An Idea with Deepika Padukone and Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus | DAVOS 2020

Deepika Padukone
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Deepika Padukone
Founder at The Live Love Laugh Foundation
Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus
Director-General at World Health Organization (WHO)

Internationally acclaimed actor and mental health ambassador from India. Has been named by TIME magazine as one of the 100 most influential people in the world; listed by Forbes magazine among the 10 highest-paid actresses in the world. 2014, diagnosed with clinical depression and sought professional help to aid recovery. June 2015, founded The Live Love Laugh Foundation to give hope to those suffering from stress, anxiety and depression. Achievements have made her one of the country’s biggest role models for youths.

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PhD in Community Health, University of Nottingham; MSc in Immunology of Infectious Diseases, University of London. Health scholar, researcher, diplomat. First-hand experience in research, operations and leadership in emergency responses to epidemics. 2005-12, Ethiopia’s Minister of Health; led a comprehensive reform of the country’s health system. 2012-16, Ethiopia’s Minister of Foreign Affairs; led efforts to negotiate the Addis Ababa Action Agenda, in which 193 countries committed to the financing necessary to achieve the Sustainable Development Goals. May 2017, elected Director-General, World Health Organization (WHO), for a five-year term by WHO Member States at the Seventieth World Health Assembly. First WHO Director-General to have been elected from multiple candidates by the World Health Assembly, and is the first person from the WHO African Region to serve as WHO's chief technical and administrative officer. Has outlined five key priorities for the organization: universal health coverage; health emergencies; women’s, children’s and adolescents’ health; health impacts of climate and environmental change; and a transformed WHO. Former: Chair, Roll Back Malaria Partnership Board; Co-Chair, Partnership for Maternal, Newborn and Child Health Board. Chair, Board, Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria Board. Author of articles in scientific journals. Recipient of awards and honours.

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Join a conversation between Deepika Padukone, internationally acclaimed actor and Crystal Awardee, and Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Director-General of the World Health Organization, on ending the stigma surrounding mental illness.

Speakers: Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Deepika Padukone

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the same session between 32nd and Anna doll. I hope you know. And then I said my gosh, I think I cannot be Fareed Zakaria. I'm not a journalist, but he's a great artist. But I also appreciate it. I would be doing this because this is a rare opportunity to meet to pick up. Andrew asked her on on many issues. Maybe she doesn't know. I will tell her today our lives almost crossed somewhere else more than 20 something years ago. She was born in Denmark. But she left

Denmark one year and then I was trained in Denmark 1988. So same place and then I was really surprised so who brought us together? Denmark is one then and now but this is what I say to let a great great opportunity for me because I was doubly so we really are mad about you. You're an actress or a film producer. but more importantly for has a mental health Advocate and a successful one and you have done a lot and I was saying to your colleagues AAA Foundation that leave love and love

as you know, the very definition of health is health is a state of complete mental physical and social well-being. It's not merely an absence of disease or infirmity mental health is the most neglected. and people with mental health face severe human rights violations stigma and discrimination around 80% of them people with mental health conditions Do not have access to mental health care they need. so the problem is really really serious and for someone like you Pika to really take on this because is

for who such a great opportunity and for me today a great opportunity to people like you like the pic I will really change the tide. And I hope this moment will also increase the awareness improve the awareness and help people. Think about the enormous problem. We're facing special needs mental health and decide to join your movement. So how do you save this and congratulating you for all your achievements and expressing my respect? 4 people maybe or may not be

familiar with what you're doing a very strong advocate for mental health, but what triggered that why Good afternoon, everybody. mental illness Crept up on me when I least expected it. I think most often or at least in my case. It comes with absolutely no warning signs and I was going through a phase that you know, the perception and end the gender understanding was that I was at a professional High I'd had successful Executives professionally into at the movies.

I was in an amazing relationship my parents and my sister have always been extremely supportive of everything that I've done in my life. And so everything that we think should be okay in our life was going more than more than okay. It was absolutely perfect. end I remember waking up just one morning. Leading an absolutely normal or what? I thought was normal. It started with I sent I sent it I come there was a complete blackout. I sent it. I hit my head and I used to live alone at this time and luckily the house help had arrived and

she saw me lying on the floor and you know sort of revive me and then you know, I gained Consciousness. I saw two slept through the day got an appointment with a general practitioner went and saw him. He said, oh, it's nothing. It's probably just exhaustion or your BP just activated and that was it. That was that's what sort of the physical symptom. But what I was also experiencing was the sort of Halo. You know what sort of empty fetish feeling in my stomach. I would break into a sweat every now and then I will just starting to get into this sort

of panic phases where I just felt like, you know, just I need you to just get out and you know gasp for breath. And I would just cry like out of nowhere. I would just break down and cry with there was no one really had to say anything to me or I didn't necessarily have to be in a specific place. I will just you know, just I could be in this room inside images feel like I need to cry and express myself. You know and then there were days when I just didn't want to get out from there. I will just want to sleep and not wake up

because to me sleep felt like my escape and I felt like I didn't have to deal with the reality of what I was experiencing. I didn't want to eat. I didn't want to interact with anybody. I didn't want to let you know. I didn't want to go to work. You know motivation with absolutely everything and fortunately, my mother happened to be there a couple of months into this my parents live in a different city, and they had come to visit and I was I was sitting in

their room and they were packing up and ready to leave and I had one of those moments where I was watching her back and I suddenly just broke down. And she looked at me and she said what happened is everything. Okay, and I said I said yes everything. Okay. It was okay, but clearly everything was not okay. And you know, she asked me to the routine questions about is my is it my relationship? Is it something at work and I just kept saying no and I didn't know what to feel. What was that one thing. I can point my finger at it and she immediately looked at me and said Deepika. I think you

need professional help. And that's when we called Anna Chandy who you know at the point was a family friend, but also a trained. psychologist but at that point we felt like we wanted to share this with somebody who we could trust someone who was not going to We Will We Will concerned about what the media was going to say and we didn't want to be seen outside a Psychiatric clinic. So everything was hush-hush. I remember calling up and she was in the middle of a personal crisis. She was traveling. and I

called her and and literally, you know, she asked me two questions and she said I'm flying down to see you right away. You need professional help. You need to see a psychiatrist and you don't immediately I think literally that same evening or the next day. She was on a flight, you know, she came to see me. We then, you know together when another doctor who finally diagnosed it as clinical depression. And I remember having off the struggle for so many months

of having to go about the Motions of doing everything. You're not going about my professional engagements having to speak at events having to perform scenes having to engage with people having to do all of those things, but actually not being present. I remember feeling a sense of relief that wow, at least now we know. What they say is that I was experiencing because I think that the toughest part in the journey for me was not understanding what I was feeling or not. I'm not understanding what I was experiencing

not being able to explain to people what it is that I'm feeling so people would say hey how have you been and I would have to lie and say I've been great and fine when actually I was not feeling okay because I didn't have the strength and I didn't have the words to explain to somebody what I was experiencing. I'm so just a diagnosis and it says to me sells like a massive relief. At least now, we knew what this was. but I think this is where you know my journey to recovery

began because I think accepting what doctor shammgod told me was was equally an important part of my journey to recovery and I think what I see around me daddy that he often is two things. For example when my mother said, I think you need help I could have easily rejected that and said no Mom that's crazy it if this doesn't make any sense, I'm not seeking professional help 8B the other situation could have been my mother could have completely discouraged me from seeking professional help. So I think

things that we managed to achieve here as a family is one. The fact that somebody close to me within my family recognized the signs and symptoms 1/2 encouraged me to seek help 3 that I was open to the idea of of seeking help and I and I accepted the fact that okay if is if a body is is is sort of susceptible to illness. So can the mind and you know, and I think that's when I understood the importance of the mind and the body and understanding that in the same way that we take care of our physical health. It's equally important for us to

take care of our emotional health or mental health and then of course, that's how my journey to recovery begin. It is too during that time. I realized that there was a lot of stigma there was a lot of hush-hush. There was a lot of not wanting to share with too many people what I was experiencing and I think all of those experiences made me reflect on why we was behaving including myself why we will be hitting a certain way. Why was I not telling somebody that you know, I I'm not feeling okay emotionally. Why is it that I would seem, you know seeking professional

help in you know, privately, why was I not confident enough to to do this publicly and with people supporting me that's okay and it was all of those experiences that made me think and reflect and say one second. I took a step back and I said why have I and why have me and why have we gone about this this way? And I think that's when I do like the stigma and the lack of awareness that's associated with mental health and mental illness. and that's what led me to come out publicly with my experience with anxiety and clinical depression and subsequently

setting up the live love laugh Foundation because to that process I felt like, you know to an interview or or to the press or through the foundation if I was able to express the signs and symptoms that I experienced and if there was even one person in this room who identified with those signs and symptoms and said, you know what I'm going through the exact same thing, but I've not been able to put a finger on what it is that I'm going to I wanted to make that Journey that I had been through of

the unknown of not understanding what I was going through. I wanted to help somebody who's probably in that same situation not understanding what they're going through and I'm probably help them understand that their signs and symptoms and that's what's going to be the intention of of going public with the illness. And then also subsequently setting up the live love laugh Foundation. Thank you. I mean that you're so moving and one of the soul is actually who saved herself.

I think from your story many young people can learn. We're losing a lot 800,000 a year. And this is one of the largest killer Sofia and people it's serious and that's why so what would be your advice to young people? What they should do for themselves and what they should do to help others. I think it's a lot of things that that the youth can do anything that we can do as as individuals. I think to begin we just become a knee more aware as people. So let me get this in into perspective one is safe for someone like me who is experiencing anxiety

and depression, I think. If I see certain signs and symptoms of restlessness weather in Juneau not being able to sleep sleeping too much or lack of sleep whether it is regular you don't you're eating patterns. Are you eating less or are you eating more? Are you having suicidal thoughts are you now just interested in the things that usually used to look forward to are you feeling a sense of sadness or low for a prolonged. Of time and I think it's very

important to understand the difference between sadness and depression sadness is something that we all go through in our lives for various reasons that you don't say during an exam. Heartbreak, I think I think sadness is transient depression is not transient. I think Depression sourav last for much longer. Of time, and I think that's when you realize that this is this is where I need to share. This is where I need to express super plus it's with someone who is experiencing that I think it's important at that very

moment to share with somebody that you're close to it could be a friend. It could be a colleague. It could be a family member. It could be a sibling, but I think the first Deputy is to share with somebody around you how you're feeling. I think the people around it's important to not just sort of dismissed it as attention-seeking is important for us to be feel empathy towards the person who's who's telling us something. I think we all have now a habit of asking each other how

we doing Without Really listening to whether we actually if I ask you how you're doing. I might actually interested in how you doing. And would you be vulnerable enough to share with me how you're doing? So I think all of those things I think in just in the way that we engage with people on a daily basis sharing with each other understanding from each other. I think, you know the importance of feeling certain signs and symptoms to speak professionally help. There is a lot of stigma especially in our country especially in India are there is a lot of stigma with regards to seeking

professional help do not want to take the children to counselors or or to see, you know, psychiatric treatment because they're concerned about what other family members were concerned about. What what Society think And I think you know, I've I've come across situations with that are there are you know, people experiencing mental illness who want to seek help but somewhere the family is not willing to allow them to do that. And sometimes it's the other way around where the parents want their children to seek professional help and the

child is resistant to that. In my personal my in my personal experience, I think acceptance of medication I think for me it was a combination again. I'm not someone who can prescribe and say yes, you should take medication but I will say that in my personal experience. It was a combination of taking medication as well as lifestyle changes that has led to where I am today, but it is also a constant taking care of myself. It is an illness that can come back.

So I have to take care of myself on a daily basis the amount I sleep what I eat exercise mindfulness. All of those things are things that I still have to do on a regular basis to ensure that I don't go back into that dark world and dark space. Yeah, thank you. I mean from what you said you triggered something actually from your programs is more than just sat and then you're not alone. It's not just a convenient taglines, but just wanted to know what what do you mean

by that for me the messages for baby? But I wanted to hear from you because you started it is in the same way that I explain that I think I was trying to as a foundation explain the difference between sadness and depression sadness is transient Depression last for if you if you feel the signs and symptoms of of that sort of heaviness lasting for more than 2 weeks is when one should ideally seek professional help. So that is I think it's important for us to understand the difference between

sadness and depression You are not alone is a campaign but also something that I really really believe in and that's one of the things that organically came out very first time I spoke about mental illness. I want every I wanted every person experiencing mental illness to know that they are not alone because what happened did you always feel like you're fighting that battle alone because Unlike other illnesses are illnesses. There are no obvious physical signs of symptoms. It's all in your mind most of the time and so if I

met someone who stood in Geo experiencing depression, I most probably unless I'm a professional will not be able to tell in this room who is experiencing depression and you end up feeling like you put a lot of pressure on yourself. And you feel like you're the only one going through this it comes with a lot of guilt you start feeling like you're the only one experiencing this is actually look like why is this happening to me when the reality actually is that and this is statistics very 131 in for one in five people experience depression

once in their lifetime. So you are not alone is to reach out to people to reach out to the youth to reach out to a dollar signs and tell them that they are not alone. In this journey, but it says 1 message that I really want to drive home is that there is hope that that sort of drove me every morning to wake up and and fight the illness is that I so hope I felt like you know there were days that I want to give up but I think somewhere it was hoped everyday that would push me to the next and I kept saying

okay. This is going to pass this is going to pass. So yeah. So why not because of that? We asked one question. Either yourself. If you have experience at element that has condition at Family very close or extended family or Anyone who knows starting from ourselves, can you stand up? well anyone, you know could be yourself. It could be a family or it could be a friend. May take time to remember sometimes. but it's more than 50% of the house actually majority of the problem.

And I think to her argument stand up for myself. I stood up also knowing people who nobody is immune. nobody We will know somebody close. And that's why with mental health conditions. Nobody should be alone because we all experienced it or we know someone close with experience in it. And that's why I say that. It's heavy what you're saying is it really makes sense but something that I also wanted to understand from you then maybe it's time you show us about if you

can share with us about your foundation also and not only the two campaigns, but I know you do more than that including training of so, can you tell a 15 we actually started by setting up? A comprehensive website which actually had all the information on what is anxiety. What is a stressed? What is anxiety and what is depression one? I take two of the key features that we have, you know that we that we set out to achieve was a sort of database of Professionals in the field of mental health and that is something our country didn't have so we actually spent

months vetting and making a comprehensive database in terms of the professionals that are available in various cities to anyone experiencing any sort of distress could go on to the website and seek you get the the the names of the kind of people and and seek help. we also have tie-ups with various helpline for a lot of people would go on to the helpline and you know, and then of course, you know the information on the on the website it says the reason I'm this is not something that was available before we set this up read and set up our schools program where we speak to a

dollar since and educate them on the importance of of mental health and talk to them about what mental illness is. We've covered over $150,000 in and over 20,000 teachers. We have a program for general practitioner because we believe that General Practitioners are the first line of defense. And unfortunately in our country a lot of the physical symptoms are not really cold related to emotional distress. We always try and medicate or try and cure the physical illness without understanding the correlation between the mind and the body so a sensitization program for general

practitioners with regards to mental illness. We also do programs in rural India or where we enabled. You know, I think that us there's certain organizations in rural India that have been doing something normal work. And I'd I'd like to believe that the live love laugh Foundation apart from funding has also enabled for a lot more work to be done and we we've recently started research and we also do I'll be able to do the search and we we just in September launched.

Ruger SR9 series and we did that in September for the very first time where we you know want to bring together people from different parts of the world who will help us shape the narrative with regards to mental health advise me, if you have just one advice for who but we have just not even 2 minutes under 2 minutes. I asked you to stand up and so on. So maybe I will reward you by giving you the opportunity to ask questions, maybe two people like you ones. Do people okay want to hear?

So there is a man so I will need that. Yes, please. All right. Thank you for sharing. My name is I am a Lusaka Global shaper from the global Shapers Community. I'm a medical doctor psychiatrist registrar from Lusaka Zambia. And as the global Shapers Community, we are a group of 20 something and we are more than 10,000 people. There's more than 420 cities all over the world and we've got a project called mental health in inclusion and equity and we literally doing exactly

what you're doing for the past five years. That's what I aim is so we really like to commend you and congratulations on the crystal of what we very very excited for you and with you as a youth I think that you're doing but then coming back to the point that you raised at the first to say you had options but next You know what time you were lucky you have a privilege to actually get in touch with a psychologist private, but many people don't have that. So what advice would you have for them? Because when in 40 seconds as you know, and the second

leading cause in 15 to 29 year old, so what advice would you have for Lowe's use? She would not in the situation have advice for them. I would actually say we have advice for us and for four people for for stakeholders for people in a place of power and influence. I think it's important for us to ensure that we have accessible and affordable healthcare a statistic out of India. For example for approximately 1.5 billion people. We have only about 4,000 psychiatrist. That's something that we as a nation have to

look at that some you know, and and that you just take out of India less than and On The Higher Side less than 1% of a nation's Health budget will be allocated to mental health less than 1% is is really on the higher side. So these are things that we have to look at. yes, I do consider myself extremely lucky in the situation extremely lucky as so many levels that I had my mother and someone so close to me who identified and recognize it, you know, and the fact that it was so accessible and foldable and I think it's important for all of us in this room to

to make that possible and that's why I you know, I brought it up yesterday at the building to speeches with Okay, please. Just breathe from the importance of mental health as a question quickly that you know, you're the good thing that happened is that you were able to do that. You were not in denial and you did reach out to that help. I know someone and specially this is the case with men. I found a new two men that they have it people are pointing it out, but they

will not go for help because they see this as a huge defeat and then somebody being very unmanly and so won't go for help. So what do you do with that? How do you persuade what you do? Oh, gosh. I don't know if I'm equipped to answer that question. Is there any psychologist psychiatrist in the room? They probably did I post two people to answer that question. And I know you want to answer that question. But before she answers, I think I as Humanity. I think it's important for us to express ourselves. I think globally and especially in India men

are taught to not express themselves men. Don't cry Mandarin Express. And I think you know, I think those are the fundamental things that we need to change. But of course things like that will you know, it's so so they've been changed in our in in in the way that were brought up that is going to take generations for us to be able to change that but added more sort of urgent basis. I think I'll allow maybe I know to quickly answer that question. Because of different attitudes and prejudices along with the stigma associated with mental illness. So very often as therapist. We are

engaged with them continuously because one of the most important things to remember sometimes the person who is suffering lacks and awareness as to what is happening with the process. Okay, thank you. So that is that one question from me. What advice for who? What advice for who I would actually flip that have a phone. Yeah, Destin gentlemen's question. I will use this opportunity actually. You have bus go to my questions colorfully. So the next week be recruiting you meaning to work with your foundation very closely. You're making a difference and then a very important

you are fighting stigma and that's the most important one. Did he stick my in the community even in the family by the way, and there is even still more worse than in the whole system itself the health services and we have to fight stick my everywhere and that needs all of us. It should be everybody's business. That's why who now puts mental health as a flagship initiative and we need everybody but yours will have already done a lot. I think would be a great opportunity for the business partner

if mental health can be included in our sustainable development goals Not just his but when he has a bunny I would like to assure you that. Starting from the secretary-general the whole un system is committed to this and when you meet him one day you will use you'll see it. So the sustainable development goals, of course belongs to countries, and we see a growing commitment, but not a not so together. We hope to make a difference Namaste. Thank you.

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