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Nancy Jundi
Chief Operating Officer at DigitalFilm Tree
Kip Kroeger
Co Producer at Undateable

Nancy Jundi is a U.S. based Executive Consultant with 20 years of experience guiding global businesses through exceptional growth challenges, acquisitions and turn around with data confidence.After starting her career in Investment Banking & Asset Protection, Jundi went on to spend a decade in Film & Television. First in a Sales & Marketing capacity to rebuild revenue and brand awareness for a facility prepping to be acquired, then onto change management for the acquiring company where she rebranded their group of 8 facilities with one unifying voice and workflow. She later built and sold her own post production facility before moving into Data Software (SaaS) & Technology, where most industries had begun shifting focus and budget.

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Join producers and members of the Ted Lasso editorial team in a panel discussion on the magic of Bill Lawrence shows (Scrubs, Cougar Town, Spin City) and how editorial is the true partner in landing the jokes, drawing out emotion and making it feel like you're spending 30mins with your long time pack of friends. American Cinema Editors (ACE) CinemaEditor Magazine will moderate the panel with representatives from the Ted Lasso creative and editorial team to elaborate on the many considerations that go into building and honoring a character across episodes, seasons and a series. Having been renewed for seasons 2 and 3 based on the strength and following of season one, we're excited to share this magical team's wisdom, heart and sense of community with SXSW 2021.

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My favorite joke out of the whole season? Welcome everyone. Thank you for joining us for Ted lasso emotion in the edit. My name is Nancy gendy, and I have the pleasure of Hosting team lasso today. I am a staff writer for a c e, American Cinema, editors. And since 1950, our mission has been to advance the Art and Science of the film editing profession. I am also the CEO of digital film tree. A post house that gets to work on Ted lasso and that's had the honor of working with a few.

Today's panelists for over a decade. Let's welcome team lasso to the South by Southwest virtual stage, you know, lasso editor, AJ Catalin from, Betty White's Off Their Rockers ifc's brockmeyer and Netflix is historical roasts with Jeff Ross. Editor, Melissa McCoy has worked with Bill Lawrence across whiskey Cavalier, Undateable and rush hour and she assistant edited on a little show called CSI. Telesur supervising producer, Kip Kroger join the bill Lawrence team on a show. You likely know

and love scrubs. He also serves as co-producer on ABC's, the Conners and FX is Dave now. Bill Lawrence, you know, and love his shows, the hitmaker behind Spin City scrubs, Cougar Town, Undateable, and both the original and upcoming reboot of Clone High. Ladies and gentlemen, help us, welcome Bill, Lawrence Kip, Kroeger, Melissa McCoy, and AJ Catalin to the South by Southwest virtual stage. Ladies and gentlemen, came last. So thank you for joining me today. Quick burning questions that I think most of us

need to get out of the way. When can we get a spin-off with Mae and baths? And Jeremy? And Paul, because I feel like a British Piers very much in this team's wheelhouse Richmond, just by you mentioning it. I feel like I already on that show so I will do that to you to put into the world. Please do. I hope lots of incarnations Benoit still exists Beyond just because it's always going to be up to Jason to because his character in this world. But secondly cuz a lot of that

such an interesting show to work on because a lot of the characters of people responding to her also writers themselves, you know. So I would watch Brett Goldstein continue to be real. Forever. Get that makes me chuckle the way Jason's told me when you first started to get in the gate to get. There was one, we want to make our own version of a sports movie in the TV series where you can bring up expectations for people. I think they know what's going to happen and then change them. So it's like I couldn't have enjoyed people looking at the pilot thinking. They knew everything more cuz

I got, what's the quintessential email do? And we just wants to destroy the team and its major league. And like, yeah, that's the setup in Major League, Major League, only had an hour and 15 minutes and so they never gave that female going any level and I got, we love that you feel that way because then we're going to make you understand her and route for her and feel for her and hope she chooses the right path, right? So yes, we wanted it to be Arbors of the sports movie and then more about what mentorship need. Any success. Is not about the wins and losses. He's not

helping these young fellows would be the best versions of themselves on and off the field and like a family ties. Way too much of my personality is based on Alex. T Keaton, you know thinking back on some of those shows, the big one were were Alex seeking is having a breakdown. He lost his friend in the car accident on you. If you guys remember that, there's like one of the big things on Ted lasso, is this roving camera and Mel? I think I can't talk about the

panic attacks being without kind of having a little bit of a breakdown myself because it was just done so well. But then when you get to check everyone's faces that moment when Nate gives his speech. And there's just this one player that leans forward when Roy Walks up to him. It made all the difference. So I mean, tell me about how how do you call through all of that footage? Define those moments, it's not me Jason really likes to eat those you know and

spotting tiny moments. And that means that you don't you don't see a group singing or a locker room scene without a camera getting really, really specific reaction passes. And this Gang has to go through them all because I do think they're what makes the show in the moment you're talking about, is a rack Focus shot on the character, Richard when he leans forward you know in front of another person and it's such a simple shot, but visually one of the best moments of the Season, you know, and I would not have known it exists in a part of

the job with me and it's why these guys are all creative Partners is, you know, to find those things so that I can look heroic and say that was great. I thought that was made a change to that scene. Once I got into it was so exciting, but terrified when you get off. When you see it and then you cuz my process is I, you know, sit down, I read the scripts cuz that's where I like to start and say, like what was the intention on the page? And then I watch all the

dailies I like to sit down. Watch from y, to type and be like, what are they get? And can I make this happen? And I started watching the performances and I was like, oh God, you know what I mean? It's one of those where you like I got to I got to bring it for these people cuz they're bringing it, and I got to get all these beads. Write a sentence is death. I think we played around a little bit with reactions, like, when we went to reaction, but I had all this because I'm a big person

where I Who can I show? What is this doing this play, or what is this doing to this person? And I think I won my first time. I played a little bit too much of what night was saying on Roy. I remember where I got the note. Like, we need to see what night stay in a little bit more cuz I'm also huge, I'm kind of, you know, got a little bit of a crush on the Royal. I just love that bad boy with a heart of gold. Love stories like Roy today and I'm like, yeah, that was one of those things that it was it was stressful when I saw it was never so much and just the

beats of it, all of, like, getting into it and being in current like, as he's starting to do a roast and the team's getting into it. And then when you hit Roy, it's just like The brakes. Come, you're not everyone's like a whole house is going to react, and then you just get that sign those, the silent moment where you like, you don't know. And then he just ripped the, the thing, I mean it was just on the page. It was written like that performed like that. I was just I had to be like I got to pick all the best things and get it on the screen and

and I think it turned out but it was one where I spent a lot of time you started as an AED on an Undateable before going on to editor, right? And so there were live episodes of it was the lot of stand-up comedians and then AJ you know you did Jeff Ross has historical roasts you did stand ups and so it takes a lot to pull off in provence of that was not what this show was about. Like we really meticulously focus on that but you do still have incredibly gifted comedians on the show. Burn this crap. Maybe we should do this part out

side at the mail, okay. For you guys having come from Ashley, you know, having worked with improv scenes. Can you kind of walk me through like either, how much material comes in how much emotion or like the range of it? I love that has walking with such a sin to the hallway with a masterstroke, how they were allowed to talk, because not in the script. Yeah, here we are. Talk about you missing practice recent here. I supposed to be the franchise player and

we in here talkin about practice and I heard that they chasing them before they actually went to shoot it and then you know what are we going to do with this? So it's always. About practice, man. I'm talking about practice and you can't do it. I think it's important to know to get one of those would be fun for me and AJ and Mel at work on shows, driven by comedians. That you never know what they're going to say. And you're sometimes trying to match one, take the person's off on an insane tangent, you know, with another take where they're sticking to the script.

One of the cool things about this show that makes it exciting, but also not a challenge to uniform for the editorial staff that you didn't ask for is Jason, really embraced and kind of the what we were doing scrubs is the rule and we had some the best Emporium Neil planted by the damn. There was hands down, one of the best improv performers still, you know. And, and the old stories that are When the writers got lazy in the last four seasons that show, we would send down scripts to the cast. It just said next

to the janitors line. We could just write Neil say something funny and he would, but that is the rule on that shows did Jason is going to ruin. This one is it is a meticulously scripted show and then once you get what's meticulously script and if you have an idea for a different line or something has come to you or quite honestly, you know the writing staff has so much fun in the show there isn't a joke or moment that we haven't script two or three alts to Jason that is super supportive of trying them. He's also an insufferable tinkerer in the sense that until

someone calls action he's going to keep tinkering with a c and it's one of the things that makes it better and better so it's not improper say as much as within the confines so we're not dismantling everything trying new material and then embracing happy. My favorite one was so small that I just before the last take, we're like this time. When you leave say, high five, treat it kind of does SNL part of himself, you know, that they would find found comedy like that. I think it's all over the ship.

Sometimes you just keep the cameras rolling in between rolling restarts and you hear them off to the side and I think that's still. Okay. And so you just kind of her like you pick up the key. Something funny is going to happen here on this next restart. Are you hear them working out the lines and stuff and that's always fun. You know, detective work that you get to be a voyeur of like what it was like on all the fun they were having and feel slightly left out. But lie

all the time I was with Jason and Bilbo. They are, we would have these sort of side for the tangent conversations about the backstory that was so much deeper than, you know, is as post than we usually kind of get what we get and trying to make something out of it. And we do, they would do these deep dives into into how the character arrived at this moment. You know, that was so much more than was even then we realized initially, that was, that was a lot of fun for us. We know these

characters Stilwell, like, I feel like I haven't met yet, but if I did, I would just be like, I feel like I know you and he was like, okay weirdo but all day long. And I think about what you're thinking about a time you do, if I feel like, I'm, I feel like I am these people, and then you meet him in there, like, oh, you're the editor. Hey, why don't you cut that in your? Like, I did. I want to meet this person cuz they just want to know why you cut their good stuff and you like, it wasn't me, it was Bill. But We're flying by the seat of my

pants a little bit. And the cool thing with Jason, I could inform this everybody here about the backyard cuz we did not only intense backstory for each character for last season. But you know, if you have a sharp eye, you're probably aware of some of the stories that will be told this year because of small moments that we put in there. Whether it's a player's, you know, where assistant coaches or whatever, we started stories that are going to be told the second season. What's been really fun for me is you don't even say artist most pretentious, but to be in a

world where you're in cutting and in all the shows I could before this, it was literally he can try to trace some marks but you're just trying to survive a 24 episode season, you know. And without everybody reaching a point that they're having a nervous breakdown and for me it was so fun was to be Editing a show that you knew that when Ted gave an army man to Sam, you know, in the opening, then Jamie Park would get one in an envelope at the end and the it couldn't just

go by quickly for the coolest thing. If you asked any of the actors in an acting kind of panel Jason is on set. Like the shows Wiki in a way that if anybody asks me, why does it tell me to make a moment out of this thing? He can go because this is where your team from and this is what's going to happen. Maybe not even this year next season and this moment needs to hold back. So that when people go back and look at it, it makes sense, it's really a cool way to make dogs. I do love a lot of room. Smells like potential. If anybody from the show claims that we knew what we were doing or

that we knew that this would definitely grab hold of work. We didn't, we want everybody to know that we are as check over surprised as anybody and then, we dad grateful to even get the chance to talk to you about this stuff for something that we would have made. Anyways, for our friends and, and be super happy about the experience Ad nauseam about how I immediately reacted to the show. The the toxic masculinity that it was just obvious, it was addressing. And then I heard on another podcast about how season to the writers room kicked off and

brene, Brown's name was just throwing around left, right? And sideways and do it was so huge to have her interacting with the cast and so many podcast for you guys. Did you know going in that this was going to end AJ Diamond dogs like What is that been like, for you guys because I know the emotional outpouring has been huge like throw all the statues and gold at you guys. Fine. But I know there's a certain kind of emotional voyeurism getting thrown at you to have like, how people related to the

show that the characters and the Dynamics matters, much, any people talk about the female friendships, that you mentioned, Leanne Bowen, Ashley Nicole, black CD walls, Jane Becker, Jamie Lee, and then as unbelievable female record, producers all those people help make the show. Authentic in pesos to these characters and the show more about these characters going through, you know, what parts of their own vulnerability and Nothing in Century relating to each other.

Love, love reading. All the tweets that there are people reacting in one day, you read the governor of Massachusetts, giving an official speech saying, you know, that he knows David Weekley from people, that found my email that just want to talk about, you know, how much the show meant to them and as an editor that never happened. So, you know, it's you people when they're reaching out to like post-production people and that's been wild. I've doomed with students in North Carolina, like, people who want to get into a lot of females that are like, how did you make it in? I mean,

yeah, Chicago, North Carolina. Like so many people just reached out and wanted. To talk. And I had time this summer with covid and I was, I was like schedule. It had been a whole calendar of like meetings that I really important to point out that you were an ace in turn. And so you had a lot of those experiences that actually afforded you the opportunity to have those interactions and that gives permission that that's encouraging to. Like, you know why? Yes, reach out. And, I mean, Bill, you've built a team that you worked with for years and

have that kind of community. And it really doesn't gives permission to like Ray's up others and that gets poured into this show. Even especially, you know, you've worked with tips then scrubs, right? Reading Department poster. Could we do I want to give a shout out to Jason because he was in the trenches with us you know? And I'm watching all of us find the show and down each other and try to go back and forth the super fun. But yeah, the the coolest part of getting to do, what I do is getting to see people like

Mellencamp and now AJ who's new to our world rise through the ranks the same way I got to you know I mean kept will be the first person to tell you about kind of the person that started that philosophy and then our company's Sky. Randall, Winston unit ran over a kick in on Scrubs. I think you just graduated from college right week and you, and a friend and I said you could be a PA. Cuz Randall said, you're a nice kid, and now you tell me what to do all the time, it's very well that actually brings up a great Point AJ. For example, I my

team, here it is also and she will tell you that like they get tired of me saying fresh eyes. You only, Get one shot at that. When you walk into an environment, anytime we have a new hire, I say, first two weeks, I don't need. You learning necessarily how we do things. I want you to teach me. What do you see? What do you know, what are you experiencing and surface that to me? So it for you coming into to this team? How was that before the show started? And I got to

know him, I couldn't touch it and when I heard there's a short film that I love the Jason to work on my first bill Lawrence show. It's funny because department has to deal with which is slightly annoying to work with you. No more cuz I'm Patient it out. And I just want a Jay and Mel and I hit a button that makes what I want to happen happen. And then and I'm constantly forcing everybody to answer tone questions that I can't answer my cell. And at the same time that

the real deal with me, I will tell you all that Jason Sudeikis was a neophyte editor, but the idea of dropping him in this world gay bars near me apprehension first cuz you know somebody's responsible for cutting the show. That might not have done that a lot but not only did he take do it incredibly quickly but watching this gang of people act. As both people had to deal with me and at least initially be his teacher to see, you know, on how this stuff got about the ups and downs and the back of it, all that work was kind of really like the whole

Cadwell glaceau process. So it was really kind of supportive environment. And I would be remiss if I didn't say, you know, the dude's a rock, start this stuff as well with all of us and our key components. So I can have everybody. Imagine that there's a missing frame. Hear of Jason being humble is a junkie. He went through every cut with a fire tooth comb that I think any of us expected him to. It was really cool and it's like watching somebody read The Matrix at the time and then Jason came in and went through with us

and this sort of death and meticulous detail. He went through was almost like an entirely fresh set of eyes and Fresh Approach to the whole process and watching. He and Bill, go back and forth and find the sort of tightrope that Ted lasso landed on was really neat. Think that's part of the success of the show to is cuz you know, when Bill comes in, he could be like, you know, you can cut from this to this and it's going to be fine. Like he knows like a lot of times. We've been doing this, you know the past couple days together to question my mind, but he can be like just got for sound and then

we'll figure out stuff. So nappy and great and then Jason comes in and it's like them school again. She's like, why did you make that cut? Like what is you know what's the emotional reason behind that cut and you're always wanting to have your reasons for where you're going as well. So it was like a really nice mix of like you know just getting the tightest best version and also hitting all those like emotional like theater filmic beads as well as the bills kind of shallow and Jason's real live human being. I'm making my wife, that's not true

but you said fresh eyes is one of the coolest things about when we are trying to find a show tonally, the biggest danger zone for me and editing television is something that I call it's tabula. Rasa is way too deep from the blank slate philosophy in editing. And what happens when you cut something you've read the script you watch to be shot, you seen the dailies and you watched countless cuts of it. We're just going to Pilot the other night and you can sometimes then cut things because you

say we don't need that and you're saying we don't need that. Because in your head you have that information about the show and it was really hard is you if you take a step back and go. Wait, if I never read the script, watch the auditions was there when it was shot and watch the dailies. Am I aware of this? Am I aware of this relationship? Where my where This exposition of my where of this moment and as years go by and I get jaded, I sometimes forget to do that. And so is really refreshing to have Jason in there. I mean, don't get me wrong, we would sometimes fight because he would go. I

think you need that moment. Maybe I can show him simultaneously, very frustrating for me excite. I don't always react great two people not just listening to everything I say, but I think that's what's cool about this environment. You can see cuz these three people on here with me, and it's a meritocracy in, anybody can say anything. That's that's part of the game. There is absolutely space, Jason just into an extra window because he was, the reason that a lot of this kicked off, like he was so generous in his interview for the eighth article and all credit. Just kept flashing back to

to Mel and AJ kept bill. Because he did feel so empowered in the edit room. I mean, you know, a specially-built you can speak to this but like as Jason and Brett and Brandon and Joe and you were writing this, he just had this absolute romance with the edit room because he got to continue writing in there. And, you know, I think Mel it was, it was you who said, build and just comes in and he has his photographic memory of dailies and so, can you walk me through, kind of the scene where it was the me, how, and how you got? How you guys.

That one right before game damn time. And it's right after Chad wife kind of tells them. Like, I don't feel about you how I used to feel and then, you know, we went into the scene and a dialogue scene where he's kind of like I don't know what to do, and he's way. You know, those guys in there and if it's somber and sad and and you know, they're trying to give him advice and Higgins has this line. But for some reason it wasn't like it was just Landing a little bit. Like it was like a little too cheesy like we didn't have we just needed

something to like when that line better and bill was like we were looking to the Daily that we found this thing where where Higgins goes like right before that like the end of the joke doing and find a way to put that in and then that lamp that lines going to land. Did you not hear the five boys? Tiny house dying cat. If not hot and sweating and it just wasn't like Landing the way it needed to and then it was like a cheetah change. The whole thing was like that and

that was the out of the scene and it just hit home, call 911. I want to report a truth bomb at Cindy Crawford man. We could create an extra scene just from the bin of Swift's. Add webs on what is cat's name. Youngstown. One, one big thing that I heard was that the writers room broke up last season by yuno to five blocks, Mel and AJ, especially because you guys took, you know, you traded off episode. And you shared with me, especially before the pandemic that you guys, you don't like any editorials and you pop into the bay

and AJ, you share the lovely stories of like Mel in her music and like pop in to see her when she's listening to you, to get the vibe. And so music coming out. Wait for your kids to Adult smell the year, they're going to be so cool. But I mean tell me about that. Like did you guys also break them up into the five blocks, or was it because you knew the whole Arc of the Season? Like how did you guys trade off and then how did that change? Once you did pivot into the house? So we were basically why we're so other than upset 10

episode 1. They have still been being edited to 2 degree in. That was really helpful because then we set this up in the schedule out of Tallahassee season 1 end. That's ridiculous. Story point. the little things like that, nothing like the characters in the bar, you know, where are the Greek chorus of the bad guys and tall and those guys and I would go back and forth and then that will be empty on the lodging in person was lovely to do that. But we said he knew immediately that really works is

zoom is a different beast but but you guys have all the fun you guys spend the time for touching base and checking in and watched each other's footage and it's it makes such a difference because then when Bill comes in and goes through insights things from the different episodes, you know, you guys have already been discussing those and so you're aware of it and it informs your choices in, you know, in a few traps Turn the same thing goes to Jason when he sort of re-engineer is a scene and you don't want to AJ's episodes that informs when I mailed by the time he comes over to Mel's episode, they

already knew what was up, cuz she's got that beat up, ready to go. So he did it's a testament to you guys and your collaboration all way across the I think, you know, what to say when people say it's like a movie but one of the things that we all, as a group decided to do early on, you know, is if you'd been Vision the 10 episodes, you know, like one piece you can, you know, kind of go back and forth and collaborate and was really important for a Jay-Z on mail stuff. No sailor, AJ stuff, Jason to see

everything, you know, it's going to be interesting in tricky to make sure that we still accomplish that this year in a man end, because I think this show The quality of showed increased by Leaps and Bounds because of the collaborative nature of men away all these faces. But everybody that kind of stepped in the process, we try to still other side random meetups in having a Friday. And I thank God. It's Friday cocktail to say to get together and then into an acceptable.

I think by now a lot of folks might have realized just how many via fax went in to Ted lasso, but chip like you see all of it. You're you're, you're handed in every part of the show every interview that I thought it was a little chip fixed, it can help us keep ran over there. And it was just so much went into creating the stadium preparing the shots, the the text side of this show, never mind covid has been huge, go for it to start the start the story right now. That Jason doesn't really have a mustache. That the hardest thing was, the hardest thing was just being the continuity of that fake

mustache across 10 episodes. Crystal Palace was awesome and then I guess you can shoot here and that's what we were planning to do. And then we got there and is a Premier League soccer team in their stadiums. Jason and Brendan arriving there and took a look at the grass. But then they're like, oh, you can't ever put an actor on that field and nor can you ever ever put cameras on that field? That would touch the grass. Nor can you have its own Kip? And meet Lee had to go. So, we're using the stadium in a guys are showing up, but we're never allowed to play football

on it. As long as nobody realized we weren't if they thought we would sell hers and we did all right, but that was the idea, you know, see if you guess if you would guess we had about 10 visualfx shots per episode, then we're doing all right, we built kind of a CDI Stadium, but it was all part of the plan from the start. We knew we were going to have to play it and still hurts like this the real stadium. And these guys working with Bill and Jason. It was the idea was just to make sure that whatever they came up with would somehow get on the screen. Reprieve is all that, you know, it was

with Nancy and the friends over the DFT there. So we had all these little cartoon that everybody doing it. Before we even went over to assist you in London, but we made the cartoons that antibiotic and stuff with the previous team, and then melon AJ would cut these together. We actually had a real look at the scene and so they were actually waiting before we even worse, shooting it, which was so so helpful, because then we sat down with the director and we're like, all right, you know, how do you want to go about this and kind of walk through everything. These guys kind of crap, the map

as to how to how to make it play, in the context of everything else that was going on. Cutting back and forth in the bar at the seams in The Dugout, you know, and making sure everything was tracking through it. All. So cool, leave me, Kipper on some cookie, precut, something. Even if you're wrong, you can get so much more material when you know, the material you have to get a chance in the direct processing skills. Have been saved by the editors of Ted lasso.

I think the one created decision that Brett Goldstein was involved in was no matter where Ted lasso goes the character, Roy probably shouldn't play professional soccer on screen issue. It's fun for me cuz I got to just be their eyes and ears over in London for you know a few days in the cold rain right before, you can see a lot of a shivering and then write the correct way to call Athena. So I get there seem to pretend it's Richmond versus Manchester City and we're all walking right into it AJ. How dare you sir, the last

10 minutes of the season finale? . It sucks. I had a panic attack like walk me through that because like you said, you did get to cut between the bar and the stadium and the locker, like, walk me through that, the emotions were just, I really did. I was watching it a sports movie for kids. Switch to me that brings the show back to its original roots from the original at last. A short sketches by the doesn't understand the offsides Rule and I he do you know, when he chose to create this, this ending lots of

special play. And it's a it's a spoof on that reaction from the crowd that they got it. What the hell is going on in the voice over for some sports in a ride and done besides with the fetus cartoons and that turned into real green screen footage? Then, I got to watch that turn into visual effects shots. Incredible music by Marcus Mumford. Jason said, you have to watch the skate to Victory with Sylvester Stallone to Michael Caine for Jamaican song. Play Marcus and

never walk alone. You going to go back to the heart and then y'all played a, heck of a game out there, we may not have one but y'all definitely succeeded best self. I'm not the field and yet so we can see how far away they are. And then Steals your previous, you know, it's an end towards what we're trying to do is the first time I'd had an experience and I can't think of one in in which because of what we had to do production. Why there weren't any elements of that end Montage, that were shot in the same place and so usually, you

know, like what was amazing and it for me and scrubs and keeping it claustrophobic was when you had to do a scene that really anchored something, right? Like that everybody was there getting mean. And so to me, my biggest worry is going to the finale was all right. The football stuff is being shot out in a field with fake soccer field that we created the coaches box is being shot in a fake set. We built over on our lot is there. Watching nothing. The fans in the the the the owners box where all the other regulars are as being shot

up in the stadium near our sound stages. And so what was really kind of valuable about chips work and all the meticulous planning going in, was it be very very easy for all these things to be totally off and not matching because, you know, usually when you're lucky enough to be involved with a sports movie or something like this, you'd go to the location and you shoot all the parts of it there. And you were her sit in my house and everybody's together so it you know to me that movie Magic was fantastic cuz I watched that as a fan, the

M show, once we're all done with it meaning cuz I've never going to let you know when you're finished finished you know and watching is a fan, I would always see movie Magic and I always see mistakes and I always see tricks and I would that that that was all shot at the same location when I was watching everybody and you know, watching the Giants seen as a whole Billy brought up before the series is over. Can I ask? I've heard you share that season 3. Is it

3 season story? You know of, we know how the story that we're currently telling, we know the beginning in the middle and the end of it. And that's kind of really satisfying because when you go into a television show, you know, what that definitively in your head then you get the biggest worry is like man, I hope we get to tell this and so now we're play. So we know we get to tell that story. Is there more story for Ted? Well, so be on that you, if you ask me

because I'm still parked producer and businessman of the end. I'm like, yeah, Ted lasso is going to be a different coach of a different sport every year for the next 50 years is that, okay? But I think you're in a great way especially to line up with the vibe of this show. That it will probably keep going as long as Jason is having a fun time, going in the crew and cameras, so just like, working and moving. So you just you just feel abandoned ship daddy and

you know, Leaving it all on the field and leaving it all on the field this season. And, you know, they did it season one too. But you can see it even more this season that they are like AJ said, gelled and giving it and then. So when you watch the fight that you like, I have to it's like I have to rise to the occasion and and and nail it to the first show I've ever worked on this for a while that's just because, you know, maybe there's some new blood and we want to see how how we are each

cutting, you know. Cutting that new stuff, that's that new world. Look at you, not doing spoilers and dancing around. I know it's late, but it's also important to show about mentorship and I watched a Jay and Mel meant for their assistance and I'm sure those that they're both getting the cut stuff now, too. I love you. I think Mel when I met you you were doing that were chew. I know you. But my whole career is because of the Laurence like I'm beating that Now to me, just sounds like you ain't got no telling how I started your career

headed to you guys. I get to put on the stage. Thanks, I get to highlight the editors and the fact that you have that incredible support from Bill from Jason like several times, like so many of the Jason quotes like he will just kneel at your altar left, right? And sideways. And that is such a gift. That's so huge. So now I'm going to ask you to bring us home. I had brought up after talking to Jason, you know, about some of the different scenes and like the the feels that I had watching some of these and he was like, oh yeah I ripped that

directly from the Hustler you know the the end credit scene in watching The Locker Room walk out you know the big George Roy Hill, family is Even with you. No fun fact. For those who might not have heard this yet, but the opening in the closing of Rebecca, I get you a direct result from Butch Cassidy. And the Sundance Kid this show is called Ted lasso, but we open on Rebecca. So that everybody understands this is as much about her and, you know Mel you are a

human jukebox you are an absolute musical Cannon and that like look look at Kips face look at agent. I mean Jason would not stop talking about your your absolute men's Cannon of musical brain. And so I want to talk to you about this collective experience because so much more is brought out in a state of people being isolated in distance. They still get to have collective experience because they can park in back to that George Roy Hill moment or Bill your Infamous from for this. Like, there are little,

you know, jokes that carries through in some places where, like, remember when JD did that and, you know, you get that feeling where you really, you can see yourself and one of the characters, but more importantly, you can see your friends in them and it comes together because you both watched. Remember the Titans or you both love that song and you get to have a collective experience together, while while having a new experience in Ted lasso and it a time when we're so distance, like, how'd you do it Mel the

magic? That's very nice. And I don't even know where to start. The music thing is, I got really lucky with a few scenes. I think of season 1 of like things that I put in a girls cut that stayed for like, usually that doesn't happen. You know, what music changes? Everybody's got an opinion about it, but I found out that Marcus was doing our music. And so I started driving into work listening to Mumford & Sons cuz I'm not a huge fan of how is Mumford At Last. I was trying to wrap my head around it, and I heard that song that was

that we put up the end of five that was like think of London and the girl you're returning and it was like I like driving to work and I said your friendship. I was like call Tony and get that song and we got to get that in there and I started that scene with instrumental and then I was like I know when she's leaving we got to hit that lyric of like think of London and the girl you're returning and your heart will turn to gold and it was like the perfect song for that perfect moment. And was one of those things that just like nobody ever said anything about it, it just like went from

editors cut to air. You're already. I just had gotten lucky, like the song Found Me and it and then in episode 7, that strange song at the end. So many people have like Brendan the other day sent me an e-mail. It was like just thought you'd like to know Katie Lang tweeted about this song. And like everybody asked me like where does snot come from and I was I was cleaning my house and I was like my husband is taking the kids out but I just need to clean this house and saw that we have

Alexa is everywhere as a plug for Alexa. I mean I have an apple music thing that I asked to play much but I was just like play a British pop playlist because I was like going to get in the Ted lasso world. It was before we kind of knew what the musical song tone was cleaning and scrubbing my toilet and then I hear the song. Oh my gosh my kind of trick is whenever I hear a song that I think this is a cool song, maybe I can find some place for it. I should say on it. Add it to a Spotify list. And then when I'm, you know, looking for music, for your

editors cut, cuz you're under a time crunch here, just like I need to have something in here so I can sell and it's probably cuz there's so many people that, you know, Tony our music, supervisor Krista provides music. Feel like everybody are, you know, from everybody where you're just like a song and people everybody's got an emotional reactions to songs, but anyways, when I cut the end of seven of like what was that, great song that I heard and I put in that strange song and it was a case of like when the editing Gods smile down on is I I was like,

okay, I'm here. I do a thing where it when I put in music, sometimes I just knew everything. Just took the track and see how explain how it's hitting the beat without hearing any dialogue or anything. And it was one of those things where I sat back and it was like, hit every emotional be. And I was like, I was like, oh my gosh, but then you know that everything starts changing and so that I'm trying to, like, cut the music and then in those cases, I send you have a great music editor and I'm like, I needed to hit here here here now, because it's shorter. Can you make

that happen and not have it? Done crazy. So he would like, send me music at its of it, but it was just like one of those beautiful moments of, like, picture and music coming together and you're just like, you're like a man. Like I would love that in my favorite shows. When you hear a song and you're like, what is that song? You should dammit and you listen to it and then you think about that seeing that was how it played emotionally in that scene, like one of my favorite thing and that's something that as an editor. Like I always want to find the right music for people to feel the right

feels and just like you said, have that Collective this? Remind me of this team and so many people send me messages about that strange song. Declan, the director wrote me about it and his actual his son went to school with that artists. Like it was like all intertwined. All cuz I've seen my toilets to come and say I love that song at the end of episode 7 and even though Mel found it had nothing to do with. I just thank you. And now I can't cuz you're stupid panels with stuff like this. What is cool is that you know this team

is as open-hearted is Ted is you know? And for me I would have been involved in this gig if it weren't something that my input was valuable in that. I got to be at Crater Park the same way now and AJ and end chip all got to be in and everybody get up. It's kind of neat watching whatever our version of a sports movie is kind of all the little bit a wonderful process to to be that we were back with. Warner Brothers lied to be in the room. You know it was Mel and Stefan to fill an MMS Jason later on Zoom. It's not really an amazing group. Yeah. We've got this

great Department that we know of it. Supports everything we do in Caitlin and Robbie and Alex and Frankie and, you know, the previous stuff. So that when we get out there, we know we're doing and Barn store, makes it look like a real Stadium. Like, we've, we've got this in men's team gets all hidden, you know, behind everything. That that gives you so much confidence in what you're doing and you can Fearless leaders in Bill and Jason, bet aren't afraid to push something, you know, they'll push it, don't bend it till it breaks, and then we put it back together to make it it

just right. And that's a really amazing place to be where you give people supporting those efforts and and pushing it as far as you can and trying things and not being afraid to try. Because as as well, as I know how I'm just a peon, do, you know, when we go back to what we had, but we always being encouraged to keep pushing it is with exciting. Some friends at the end where when the season was rapping down, as I got to know what to do with myself, cuz I don't know where I end and Ted lasso begin. Like I was so wrapped up in what the show was and so like you do, I just

I always fall in love with my shows and it's always heartbreaking when they get canceled, if you know what I mean. Cuz you think you're going to do this for fifteen years or whatever. And so I was just like, oh man, what we'll see, we'll see when it lands and that it resonated with so many people and it makes like, oh gosh, the hard work was worth it in the end, the worry and the you know combing through takes and combing through music and auditioning and I mean we did we did so so much of that. So that it's Landing with people is Is everything I

guess everything.

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