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Tom Spoonemore, Product Line Manager, Modern Applications Platform, VMware and Efri Nattel-Shay, Director, Data Protection and Cloud Native Apps, Dell Technologies join Stu Miniman for coverage of VMworld 2020.
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VMware furthers its Tanzu portfolio with data protection for Kubernetes
BY SILVIA FREGONI
Computer virtualization software provider VMware Inc. is increasing its bets on its Tanzu application development tools. The company decided to add to these data protection capabilities for Kubernetes to help companies run critical workloads more confidently and securely in this environment.
VMware’s Tanzu portfolio is a collection of tools released earlier this year that can be used to build and manage modern applications that are hosted in software containers and managed with the open-source Kubernetes orchestration software.
“With Tanzu, and specifically Tanzu Mission Control, we have included a data protection capability … that allows you to provide data protection for your fleet of Kubernetes clusters, regardless of which distribution, regardless of which cloud they’re running on, and regardless of how many teams you might have running on a particular cluster or set of clusters,” said Tom Spoonemore (pictured, left), product line manager, modern applications platform, at VMware.
Spoonemore and Efri Nattel-Shay (pictured, right), director of product management at Dell Technologies, spoke with Stu Miniman, host of theCUBE, SiliconANGLE Media’s livestreaming studio, during VMworld. They discussed the features of the new data protection capability, how it is based on Velero, and how it fits into the evolution of the container and Kubernetes market. (* Disclosure below.)
Built in the Velero project
VMware’s new data protection capability is built on its open-source project called Velero, designed to back up and migrate Kubernetes resources and persistent volumes.
“Mission Control operates Velero in your clusters from a central UI, API and CLI,” Spoonemore explained. “That allows you to do data protection, initiating schedules of backups, doing restores, and even migration from cloud to cloud from a single control point.”
The goal is not only to provide an API that VMware can handle directly with its own Velero-based implementation, but also to make it available to partners.
“And this is where we’re working with Dell, specifically, to be able to provide that single API but yet have Dell, for instance, with their PowerProtect solution, be able to plug in and be a data protection provider underneath Tanzu Mission Control,” Spoonemore explained.
The solution follows the evolution of the container and Kubernetes market and the needs of business in this environment.
“When we looked at customer environments three years ago, people talk mainly about stateless applications,” Nattel-Shay pointed out. “But over time, when more storage solutions, persistent data solutions came along, there came the need to not only provision the data, but also protect it and be able to do backups, and restores, and cyber recovery solutions, and disaster recovery, and the whole set of use cases that allow a full life cycle of data along the cloud native set of applications, not just a traditional one.”
Tanzu’s capability aims to help IT infrastructure teams on the one hand and a new set of users, DevOps, on the other hand, according to Nattel-Shy.
“With VMware, with the community, with Velero, we are introducing a solution that is capable of doing both management for the DevOps people, as well as for the other team infrastructure,” he said.
Watch the complete video interview below, and be sure to check out more of SiliconANGLE’s and theCUBE’s coverage of VMworld. (* Disclosure: Dell Technologies sponsored this segment of theCUBE. Neither Dell nor other sponsors have editorial control over content on theCUBE or SiliconANGLE.)
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From around the globe. It's the cue with digital coverage of vmworld 2020 brought to you by the end where and its ecosystem partners. Welcome back. I'm streaming a man and misses the cues coverage of at vmworld 2020, of course of him to such a broad ecosystem in the VMware environments and talking a lot, of course this year. About what's happening, native space Easter 7, kubernetes coming into the virtualized environment and what one of those key pieces of Doink loudest, of course, I've been worth a long history of working with lots of companies. In
the segment, were going to be digging into the VMware and Dell us a solution for data Protection Program. First, I have from VMware Thompson where he's a product line manager for modern application platform with VMware and welcome back to the program. One of her to the long-life, every not, the guy who is the Dell Technologies director of data protection in Cloud. Native apps. Welcome back Tom. Welcome to the program. Thank you very much. Good to be here. Longest time. You know, if it, as long as I can remember, really talked about that
ecosystem. Those joints Solutions. Never back when we started the Cuban in 20 and you go there and it would be over there. So you know, 15 or $20 for every dollar that you spend on VMware that the ecosystem kind of holes along when VMware started building, the VMware Cloud foundation in the Beamer solution data protection really went along with it, so the innovations that they done with vsphere, hold them in their environment Tong szu. Kubernetes there's a lot of new pieces, but I think some of those principles have stayed the same. So what, what do you start us off? A little bit in
a philosophically. How is VMware trading this based on and how to add data protection, still into it and then every will get you your take on it too. Yeah, sure absolutely. So, you know, from the perspective of VMware in the ecosystem, as you say, you know, we want to be very inclusive. We want to bring the ecosystem in our partners. Along with what we're doing is in the modern application platform thinking on the same lines as it relates to data protection
specific, you know is a place where Main Lee's been thought of a place for stateless applications but we're seeing in the more there are beginning to move to kubernetes and into containers. And so the question, then becomes, what do you do for data protection of those applications that are deployed into kubernetes? And so Specifically control, we have included data protection capability, along with the other capabilities that a mission control that allows you to provide data protection for your Fleet of kubernetes. Cluster is
irregardless of which, which distribution regardless of which Cloud they're running on regardless of how many teams you might have running on a particular cluster or set of clusters. And so for this reason yeah we have introduced a data protection capability. That is a focused around our open source project on bolero and Mission Control operates. The Valero in your clusters from a central time. You i a p. I n c, l. I e protection, initiating schedules of
backups, doing restores and even my Duration from Cloud to cloud from from a single control point. No, part of this vision is not only providing we can handle directly with our own, with our own Valero based implementation, but also opening that up two partners. And, and this is where we're working with Dale, specifically, to be able to provide that single API. But yet have gel friends since with their power, perfect solution. Be able to plug in and, and be a data
protection, provider underneath transmission control. And so that's the, your work that we're doing together to help satisfy this Vision that we have space. 3102 Center Stone. Like I said, when we looked at a customer environments for years ago, people talk me about status application but over time when more storage solutions persistent Data Solutions came along. There came to need to knock on a provision that they thought about those so protected and be able to do the cops
in restores and cyber Calvary Solutions and disaster recovery. And the whole set of use cases that allow for life, cycle of a top songs of the South Native applications not customers customers with VMware. Customers, that is our storage solutions as well as others want ramen in the cloud. And what they have shown to say that is that you have the it infrastructure. On one hand that we have certain needs and there is the new set of users. The devops people were writing applications in a new way
and they need to communicate and I need lotion that fits often. So with VMware with the community with Valero we are introducing the solution that is capable of doing both management for the devil and the year ago we have talked about this coming up and now it's the tree there in spring break. Every time, I'm so glad you brought up her some of those organizational issues because it's, it's not just. So we have some new applications, and, of course, we, we, we need to do data protection inside a little bit, you know, your, your customers are
they aware of? You know, what they need to do? Is it, you know, Central it that's coming over and, you know, tell him today about steam. Hey, you know, don't forget, you know, security date of second still super important. You know, how does that engagement go and you know what, what changes that have for the delfield in the channel? I think that the most successful organizations will you have that kind of dialogue. So the developers are not operating in silos that are not doing things themselves. They do some of the use pieces, they do
need to copy data for their own use. They understand that there are also conditioner needs. Someone is to sign that you know, the oldest passed. Yesterday's are in compliance regulations are made, so all of these things, needs to do them and there is a mutual recognition that there is a role for these people and these people for schism. I don't agree with that, you know, one of the things that we're seeing you know particulars you think about kubernetes as a as a multi-tenant kind of platform. What we're seeing is that Central it operations. Still wants to
make sure that they're happening more and more than relying on and providing self-service capabilities to find a business in and devops to be able to back up. There are their applications in the way that's best for those applications. It's a domain domain expertise for an application. So what we done with mission control is allowed Central it to Define policy and those policies then give the framework or I or guidelines, if you will, then allow the team to make the best choices within their own field of expertise. For their own
applications of the organization's. We like to control over centrality and give him some customers if they don't give anything to the developers. But most of them are asking for Samsung Service in Vegas for the developers. The policy who is saying, okay, and have a gold policy little protection. Does it mean I replicate to another side? Does it mean I do long-term retention 494 for a year that is for someone in central at 3 to set up. So saying what the police tea means or what it actually is is the job of a central IP
setting. You know this application needs application consistency and it is of god policy that often times is the best knowledge in 2 minutes. Talk, you mentioned town to Mission Control which is the management solution has a portfolio. Can you help walk us through? And then I do it. The relevant pieces here that that that are part of this solution. Yeah sure. So turns who is really a portfolio of application portfolio Solutions is as you said Elantra main pillars, it's what we call Bill to
run and manage transmission control fills and along with our tongues, observability and Townsend. Service mesh in our managed kind of pillar. The build killer is more along the lines of epithelium supporting developing of modern applications developing and applying on an application. So many of the technologies that have come from our Acquisitions of pivotal as well as bitnami makeup that, that pillar and these are technologies that are coming to four You're more and more about it just being world and
and going forward, run filler is really where you'll find that. This is a distribution but it's more than just a distribution of kubernetes, it's a distribution kubernetes along with all the tools that you would need to be able to deploy modern applications. So, all of these three pillars come together along with Services, provided by pivotal labs to really give you a multi-faceted platform for deploying and operating modern applications. Every you know, where are there any gratian's they are out of the storage unit fit in is been a discussion. We've been having for a few years when it
comes to kubernetes zookeeper protect integrates with all of these Devils. The format has mentioned starting with the lower lowest level of integration with the storage VMware, has cloud cloud Solutions, which allow things, I can come into the snapshots to be taken from the environment and that we are using this mechanism in order to copy days. I fish company from GTA GTA, San Andreas, greed, environment, out of a cluster into space, sufficient data domain as the Target card. So that the storage integration
and there is qualification and support for the various environments that tone is mentioned at times. You could bring his speed and time to converse with integrated As well as this thing that you are working with VMware, in order to enable protection for what has been called. The project, a very sophisticated Kitty babies of France, multiple currencies Buster's using the community dr. API capabilities. So you can speak very, very quickly by VMware and then we can take backup office, environment, activated online,
and finally working with Tom for another time and effort to do, the integration between transmission control and power protector, Alliance cloudmagic loudmouth, location environments to be provisioned the morning for inviting to Mission Control, but also protected using KakaoTalk. Desert. So, tell me we talked about supporting the ecosystem and it's a much faster Cadence now than it was in the past that used to be. Like every other year at the emerald, we got together and talk about the major
Beast of course, in container, kubernetes world were having a much faster, Cadence. So could you just help us understand? You know, what of this is generally available. Today we saw these for 7 back in the spring, the did the update, right ahead of them world that really extended kubernetes Beyond just BCF to be able to be a northeaster seven environment. So we we know some of this is, you know, we're on the road map. So I don't know if he's out for us. You know, kind of what's your today from VMware and you know what was the time line is we expect for all of these
pieces? We can absolutely. So, so mission control a shift in March. So, so we're still as you say we run Call Nate of ourselves. And so, we're releasing new features in new capabilities, literally, every week, we have a weekly Cadence for release our data protection. Capability was just introduced at the end of June. So it's a fairly new and we are still introducing capabilities like me and bring your own storage doing scheduling a backup. So just kind of thing, you'll see us adding more more Cloud providers. We have been working to open up the platform to
make it available to Partners. And this is generally with Mission Control across the board. But specifically, when it comes to Del and power activate incapability, this is something that we are still actively working on and it is a little past the architecture stage but it's probably Still a little ways out before we can deliver on it, but where we are working on it diligently in and definitely expect to have that in the product and available and really providing a basis for
Integrations with the with other providers as well. In terms of power protect we're told the audience about the preview a year ago. And since then we have released a number of release as we, are having a quarterly Cadence. So it is available for the general assumption for quite some time. Talking about integration layers that we have mentioned before. We are the first steps to protect yams and Cornbread is in applications using the same block for in the same. You are the same policies, everything looks the same.
And we have recently introduced the capabilities, such as application, consistency, for phone number of the of applications support for a EKG is available for us, said, we are working on further integration such as integration with consumption. What if I want to get spider web for both of you that for you. We'll start with you if you in a week. This regular games coming up. We know, we're only a couple of weeks away from, you know, dcwa. The Dell technology World experience. Of course, the cube will be there. What should
we look for the rest of 2020 or any final comments? Do you have for, for customers? That might be looking at this environment. Sure. I think the Ford Transit I'm saying and there are just getting stronger over. The, the year is, the first thing is, is multi Cloud means many things to different people, but basically, every customer that we are speaking to his is talking about, I want to run things on time, but I also need to run these work clothes in the dryer, and I need to move from one hyperscooter region to another, or between hyperscalers. Anyone to run District distribution
here and the other distribution there. And there are many, many combinations of Text and it's a bit of a service and other components of the infrastructure that different developers are using on time and in the tub. So I expect this to go any further and solutions like power protects and tkg can help customers to do that job in Port Saint Joe, Michigan, throat to Monitor and manage. These environment protection is going to follow more. The workers occasion is no longer the VM, obviously. I mean many different components that are
start starting to stand across locations in the environment. And again the protection nature of these are. He's going to change according to where and how these work clothes are being proficient. Mission Control, you know, very much multi-cloud, focus on today, it's largely an AWS Focus solution or changing to add more flexible. Storage options are more clouds or something. I will be doing in the short-term, Google Cloud platform, and go to storage. And after that,
as well as just the ability to use wrong on Prime storage for your backup Target, also, we're going to be focusing on driving more policy-driven. So being able to Define policies for groups of clusters Define RKO in RKO four, groups of clusters allowing Mission Control to help. Determine what the individual backup policy should be for the and other partners to help extend our platform and open it up for other. Riders. Common every thanks so much for the update. Tom welcome to be in YouTube alarm 9 at 4 a.m. I'm sure we'll be seeing you in the team in the near
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