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Aniyia Williams
Principal at Omidyar Network

Aniyia Williams is a systempreneur, creator, inventor, tech changemaker, and investor. She is a principal on the Responsible Technology team at Omidyar Network, and works to help the tech world live up to its promise of changing lives for the better.Prior to joining Omidyar Network, Aniyia founded Black & Brown Founders, a nonprofit which helps Black and Latinx entrepreneurs launch tech businesses. She continues to serve as the organization’s board chair. Aniyia is also co-founder of Zebras Unite, an entrepreneur-led movement focused on creating a more ethical and sustainable startup ecosystem through capital, culture, and community; convener of the Black Innovation Alliance, an ecosystem of organizations that support, fund, and sustain Black innovators; and co-founder of the Firefly Alliance, a community that equips women with collaborative leadership skills to move beyond racism and sexism. Previously, Aniyia founded the fashion tech company, Tinsel, which invented the world’s first audio necklace, designed in response to a lack of electronics developed for women.Before becoming an entrepreneur, Aniyia held roles in marketing, business development, and nonprofit fundraising. She has spent much of her life on stages with her background in the arts as a classically-trained opera singer and as an experienced speaker who regularly gives talks, hosts, facilitates, moderates, and speaks on panels.

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Aniyia Williams is a creator, inventor, and tech changemaker. She serves as Executive Director of Black & Brown Founders, which provides vital resources to Black and Latinx entrepreneurs building tech companies with limited capital. She is also co-founder of Zebras Unite, an entrepreneur-led movement focused on creating a more ethical and sustainable start-up ecosystem.

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Hi, all Welcome to our closing keynote. I am honored to introduce our next speaker and you Williams is a principal on the responsible technology team at all major Network which works to help detect. The tech world live up to its promise of changing lives for the better. She also previously founded black and brown Founders and non-profit, helping Black and Latino mix entrepreneur, has launched Tech businesses and is the co-founder of zebras night and he is a convenor of the black Innovation Alliance co-founder of the Firefly

Alliance and sounded the fashion tech company, which invented the world's first audio necklace. And in addition to all of that, she's also a trained opera singer and delivered her own baby. Welcome India Williams. Hi, thank you for having me. It is my honor to be the closing keynote of Ruby comp this year. As Allison mentioned, that do a little bit of this little bit of that working on respect responsible technology, helping black and let next folks,

start text businesses trying to create alternative to the community cultural capital in the startup ecosystem. Among other things. Today's closing keynote is going to be my five rules for building the future. And we are really going to kind of talk about some of the things that have coalesced for me. And my journey around systems design around building communities oriented towards change and just generally being a Creator and inventor. I feel like this path has led me to understand a lot about the world around us why people do what they do. And

so let's just get into it. alright, so Rule Number 1 bus, the status quo, by many indicators to gauge the state of the world, America is in a really rough spot right now and come in a quality is at its highest that has been in 50 years, the national birth rate has fallen to a historic low. The u.s. is the richest and most powerful country in the world yet. Life expectancy has consistently declined in the last six years. Do drug overdoses suicide, obesity and alcohol-related illnesses today. 4 out of 10. Americans don't

know where their next meal is coming from. 36 million adults in the US, lack of basic. Literally, give me literacy skills needed to sustain employment. At least 63 million Americans have been exposed to unsafe. Drinking water in the last decade, climate change has become a clear and present crisis and the us alone. The cost of climate SM. Climate-related disasters, has top 525 billion dollars in The Last 5 Years and up. KC missed it. We're currently living through a global pandemic that has given millions of people a disease for which there is currently, no cure and

killed 250,000 people. So as of today anyway, so we're, we're really experiencing a reckoning guys and something has got to get This image is a political cartoon by Benjamin Franklin, from the late Seventeen hundreds, basically kind of like an OG mean, right became a symbol for the Revolutionary War back then and it's something that today really a book. This kind of feeling of radical American patriotism. But if you flip through the pages of History, you will find that the truth is not all that. It seems the greatest Revolution that this country has ever seen

was ultimately, not necessarily a war for Freedom. It was a war for wealth. It was more or less a rich white man's rubble and now don't get it twisted. I love being an American. I love living in this land, which is why I will fight to keep it getting better every damn day. And the best place to start is from a place of truth. The truth is in colonial times. We imported autocracy, transformed it into oligarchy and branded it as democracy. The truth is that we Live in the land of the free but it has yet to make good on its

promise. And that promise was disingenuous from the very beginning. The truth is that so much of class race and gender struggles Point directly to business as a source. And the truth is, this is now our way of life and we've gotten really comfortable with the way that things are. We are highly adaptable beings and if you raise the temperature of gradually enough, you can get used to Hell without even realizing it. So it's just easier to get really comfortable with things that are wrong. But here is the problem with Comfort, if it's all that you ever look for it, then you

will never find. Truth greatness doesn't come from. Staying in your comfort zone, and change is going to happen. Anyway, with or without you, it's not easy, but the more that we resist change, the more pain that we experience and having the ability to grow and change a special yourself, everything, so, fuck, the status quo, you can make a choice and today about what role you're going to play in the future at the most. Will you be a leader of change that the least are you going to be able to keep up? Rule number two, we must reshape the role that market

play in our lives. And when I say Market, I mean, how we buy and sell stuff, right? So a moment ago, I said that many class race and gender struggles points of business as a source. And that is because throughout history, we continuously fabricated. Social reasons to justify the immoral behavior of business, right? The flavory genocide Health crisis, senseless gun violence, just to name a few, you can trace almost all of it back to a small group of people who want to make money in a world where almost everything is for sale money Digger, using money, begets power and power

corrupts people. Also, in a world where everything is for sale money, decides life and death because it becomes a means of survival. And as a welder get wealthier, people on the bottom. End of the income scale are stuck, running in place or even worse, getting caught in that undertow. So before covid, we had record low unemployment rate but we just couldn't keep up with the basic cost of staying alive today. A total of 21.1 million Americans are receiving unemployment Aid in about 12 million, Americans are set to lose these necessary benefits. The day

after Christmas this year. So eventually all of these things, they become problems for the rich to weld. Can only insulate rich people from instability for so long. And at some point you have to care, even if it is not out, of compassion, is more expensive to ignore any quality than it is to fix it. And I'm not just talking about dollars and cents, but also danger and violence. Write those things that we're kind of starting to see swell up around us. Inequality in negatively, paved the way for social and economic dysfunction, history has proven, it is proving it right now and when

systems and institutions stop delivering on their promises people stopped following the rules that prop them up. The antidote to any quality is mobility, but if we want to move people up the income ladder so you want to have healthy and thriving, economies, and people need to have their most basic needs met, people need and should be entitled to Good Health Care. A safe place to live rest and sleep clean, air clean water, healthy food, and honest and useful education. A livable wage or resources to satisfy other essential needs and an equal vote.

Those are the basics and there is enough to go around. There is enough for everyone, as a result, we have to ask ourselves should Money, Make the World Go Round And what should be our relationship with money. The way that we buy things in the way that we sell things, the things that we deem acceptable to sell, anyway, they all shape behaviors. And cultural norm markets are not neutral, just like technology is not neutral. They will never be neutral. Because the people who create them in the people who use them are not neutral, they crowd out these other things, that last the same

incentives. So things that don't make money hand over fist. Get crowded out right Market have allowed money to creep in and suffocate. The value of things that we should hold Secrets, like, healthcare and education, and a living wage, and Truth markets are also built on this Base Line, Assumption of infinite growth. So just think of the stock exchange and how was only supposed to go up and when things drop significantly is catastrophic. So this idea of infinite growth it's just not the same about and we pretend like it was no other way. We are seeing the tension of those two things arrived at

this very moment in history and there's really a tyranny to the idea of Mobility. When people are only allowed to go up, obviously, poor people at the bottom they suffer from having an inadequate means to survive, but for the people at the top, it's also an unending. There's a pressure to keep that money growing. There's a pressure to keep that stuff happening in. This expectation is ultimately passed down to the Next Generation and the Next Generation who then take on these very major deities and pressures and stressed and it becomes no wonder why these deaths of Despair that we're seeing

today are at an all-time high. So that means that we need to have systems that kind of presuppose that people are going to go up and people are going to be going down and it has to be okay for both, right? So having that floor there will help his head against that. As long as those basic needs are covered, people can lead a happy life because the truth is that a person's quality of life is actually best measured by the quality of their relationship and I'm paraphrasing. The same as therapists Esther perel here who says that the bonds and the connection that we make with other people.

Give us a greater sense of meaning happiness and well-being than any other Human Experience. Nowhere in there. Do you hear the words money well or business? So, rule number two, is to reshape the role that markets play in our lives. We have to recognize the moral challenges that they pose and continuously make adjustments. And we have two untether someone's Worth or their value from how much money they possess and instead tie it to what they do to contribute to our Collective goals to the common good, which brings us to rule. Number 3, Let's design with human nature

and mind humans are highly corruptible. And I believe that that boiled down to survival are instinct to survive is a very, very powerful one. And we all have the capacity to be both good and bad. That is what has allowed humans. To make it this far and evolutionary history, right? Because natural selection does not give a shit about values and morality and those things are subjective anyway, right. They shipped over time. His generosity and greed and violence, they're all characteristics that exist and each one of us, and we all want to make sure that we stay alive. And so,

we are inherently self-interested, right? So when you combine this, with our existing relationship to money and how many helps ensure someone survival today? And how business is a means of acquiring it, the picture starts to become clear and that's not to say that you can't ever be self-interested. But sometime, sometimes you have to choose the greater good over yourself. My bet is that knowing our limitations is at the Battle and that having purpose and accountability is the other half. So, well, I'm just one person who's good, good, good altruistic. All of the things. I'm also

inherently flawed and ultimately self-interested, right? And so what it is, is that my connection to others, write my community, that is what allows me to become the person that I want to be. That is a person that allowed that is the group, that is the thing that The mechanism for accountability to make sure that I am living the truth of who I say that I am. Right? So, that is the beauty. That's the truck that's responsibility. That's the honor of The Human Experience and it lies in having a trusted Community around you that serves as your mirror and how you didn't respond to what they

reflect back to you is up to you. So I believe that many of us can come together, redefined the rules of how our world should work and use our Collective power as a tool for changing these other systems that are just not working for us anymore but we have to redesign things with an aim to divest from The Winner. Takes all in the zero-sum culture at centers of today. So, as a political philosopher, Michael sandel says people should be able to rise. Skinny people should be able to truly rise as far as their effort and their talents can take them. That brings me to

the end of rule. Number three design with human nature in mine. It's the only way for us to design and create a considerate Society where I don't know if it's capitalism or something else that we moved behind it, but it is one that has had Dial Systems that can move and it just was very quickly changing time. It's one that allows us to try things that we know are equally as likely to fail as they are to succeed and it's one that has a response for either outcome. It's a society where there is a flexible process that allows us to experiment and to iterate over time. Just like we

think about our product development that were working on every day. It has solid feedback loop. And based on what we learn, we can make decisions around the growth. We can make the decisions around repair and we can decide if we need Describe things and start over. We know what our limits are as humans. Do we need to take a pragmatic approach if we really want to distribute, power and resources equitably? And that pragmatism should guide us to maximize satisfaction for ourselves while we minimize suffering for others. And I bring me to rule number for Zeke to

minimize harm. Humans are Guided by this morality, right? Like kind of a moral language. This in a set of rules that help the shape, what's right? And what's wrong, and this isn't just about what's right and what's wrong though? Because I mentioned there's always going to be evil as long as there's good. And each of us is capable of Boatwright, depending on the circumstances and that line of morality is Shifting overtime. It's changing as our culture is changing. And so what this is actually about is also understanding what is effective and what is ineffective at achieving our goals.

The first we have to find those gold and in order to do that, we have to talk to each other. So we really also have to create the spaces for honest and authentic conversation on today's pressing issues because we can't solve problems that haven't been acknowledged in the first step, is admitting that you have a problem, right? If we want to continue our species into the future than the community has to sometimes come before individual needs. This should be coupled with changing how we value. People shifting away from Material assets and normalizing evaluate that's based on

contributions to the common good. Are you starting to see the same here? So to be successful, we need to align Market incentives around the concept of minimizing harm to others and not just here at home but also globally, we have to own the repercussions of what we do and when our Innovations create problems, we should be expected to repair and fix the harm that we've done, we should be willing to be held accountable. But here's the thing, as humans it is really, really, really, really hard for us to apply the same level of consideration to other people. Outside of the people that we

actually know. This is one of the biggest challenges of our time because we have to wear all connected. And so the future, it requires us to be able to look Beyond ourselves at the bigger picture. I know, for me personally, my vision for a better future is one where people are committed to their personal growth and doing something to improve the lives of the other people who need help. It's one where people are trying to preserve genuine. Good Will in our common spaces and in the Public Square is one where people are satisfied with enough, and don't want to take from others without a

willingness to replace it. With something that's equally useful and it's one where people's needs are met so that they can have the same level of safety and comfort as their neighbor. So, we need to explore a world where we build businesses and we build societies and immoral. A socially accountable way. And we need to allow more people to have a crack at doing it. Which brings me to the final rule figure out what role you're going to play. Think of changing the world as changing your world solve problems for the communities that you have meaningful access to or

support the people who are already doing the work, because no one likes it. When a Stranger Comes To Town giving you IV tower solutions, right? So like I said, start with yourself and what's close to her and when those problems feel too big and overwhelming, focus on what you can handle lower the steak, what can you consistently show up and do Master that and then grow from their commit to a lifetime of learning experience be open. Be flexible be willing to admit when you're wrong. Be willing to admit. When you don't know, you won't get things right every time because none of us do. So you

can join a community. That's a line with your values. You can respect that Community, you can be useful to that Community, to protect that Community, preserve, whatever it is, that makes that Community meaningful and valuable to Members create a foundation of mutualism and collaboration and put that to work on the problems that you think you can solve figure out what role you're going to play, because we are the saviors that we have all been waiting for now, here are a few things that can help you on your journey, right? One is to really Define your why write Simon

sinek says that our wine ever changes but our house and our what may change. So understanding what your why is is really, really cute? Who are you? What guides you what? Motivates, what are you drawn? When you have to make hard decisions? What kind of Legacy do you want to leave behind on top of that is developing skills to really listen and acknowledge when you're communicating with other people? One of the things to remember is that conflict is inevitable, right? And everyone lives in a different reality. So don't make the mistake of extending your reality and what is true

to you too there and What make your music don't make other people responsible for your feelings. When something comes back that you don't like right to learn how to untether that message from the delivery. I like to talk about the process of listening mirror in the back and validating it and using those tools, help you create a shared reality. When people, when you're talking to people who come from very different size of deception, right? And just remembering that believing is free. You can always trust in the moment verify later if you need to and just remember that we can't solve

problems, that have not been acknowledged. The first step is admitting that you have one and then like I said before, we have to create those safe spaces for honest and authentic conversation and you can do your own work in your own time, too kind of learn the contest of how to engage, but wanted to make sure that you're showing up with the willingness to be open a willingness to grow a willingness to learn something. New is always really cute making face for others. And when I say this, I mean, Someone's ability to physically be present and have the right to comfortably stand or move around

without being made to feel like they're in danger, like they don't belong. And I also mean someone's ability to be within a group or community and feel like there's room for their voice room for their experiences, the room, for their perspectives, for their expertise, for their truth, to be clear. This is not the default experience for people at, which would be a woman and a person of color. And if you're nervous about the presence of people who are different than you, it's usually a sign that you need to expand your worldview. So I encourage you to break bread regularly. Well, I

guess virtually in these times, but with people who are unlike yourself right, follow some really different people on Twitter or wherever you hang out online. And it's one of the fun fact that I like to have to call out. Is that 75% of white people only know, white people don't, let's start changing that, right? Observe and listen to other people's experiences and Wow, them to inform your own and last, but not least, create systems for accountability. So many of today's problems, boiled down to this, our current hell will not end until people with power are held accountable and more

importantly. Until I mean, I'm just going to say this until white people learn how to hold other white people. Accountable. There cannot be grouped with your rules, apply to, but don't protect alongside group that the rules protect, but don't apply to. And this is not about punishment is not about punishment, this is about consequences and balances which can be natural. They can be logical, but they must be respectful. They must be related to the actions. And question they must be reasonable and not impressive and they must be revealed in advance so it's not arbitrary but

consequences are definitely best when their forms in collaboration with the people who will be affected by them. Which again is why we have to come together and start to talk about what are the things that Acceptable and unacceptable, and when someone crosses that line, what happened? I remember this again, as I said before, conflict is inevitable. What really matters is what you do to respond to it. So your aunt shouldn't be to avoid conflict and you know, I'll come not stirring it up unnecessarily but you should have but it should be really about how do you respond to it when it happens,

right? Or how do you know what to do when it does happen? And to give you an example of conflict in their ability, I am married to a wonderful, wonderful person. And if I could wave a magic wand and never have a fight with my husband for the rest of my life, I would totally do that but I know that that is not possible and I know that if there is a person who I absolutely trust and give every bit of myself to and never want to fight with ever again and yet I know we're going to fight. You're definitely going to fight with other people who you were with, who are your friends, who are in

your family, right? The really thinking about how do you navigate these hard spots. That is the same write. The conflict is going to happen. What do you do in response to it? And it's also a very necessary part of that of the process. As you can see, this is kind of the different zones of learning and pushing yourself out of that comfort zone, that's when growth happens, and that is how you level up. So, to sum it all up. R5 rules be considered, capitalism or for building the future, right? Is to create these conscious. He's conscious societies and we want to make sure that we're

starting from the basic Foundation of who we are. We're sophisticated animals but we are still that we are animals, right. We're constrained by the limits of the stuff that we are physically made of our minds. Make us exceptional, but the power in the system that we built around us are currently exploiting the worst part of us in order to collect and and Hoards money and power. So, in order to neutralize all of these things that are creating a Culture of Fear around us, it means that we have to change our relationship to money. It means that we have to change our relationship to other means

that we have to change our society. So that our survival may depend on these things that are going to pit us against each other. Because as long as that's true, we are all going to continue to suffer. So as you think of your place in all of this I have some homework for you is to go and download this deck from my website. And on there, you'll see any adult cam Ruby, you can download this share-the-wealth. There's a lot of articles there for you to read ketchup. Learn some more, find me on Twitter. I'm happy to answer questions back. We're going to get into some

questions right now, but thank you so much for joining me today. All right. Thank you. We. So feel free to put your questions into the ask a question. And I area we already have a number of questions. So we will start with a few times. Where can people get your necklace? Good question. I actually custom made this necklace, but I was hoping to be able to to get them out there into the the universe. If you go to my website and just subscribe once I am ready to cuz I'm basically going to just make my hands once I'm ready to start. Bitching them out. I will definitely email that

group of people to go to my website and Mia. Com All right, will capitalism. Allow for evolution. That's a good question. And I like someone I felt like I had the the comments have been going so fast that I haven't been able to like see all of the things people are saying, but I did see someone say something about like the term considerate. Capitalism's like nails on a chalkboard and I know like I actually have had my own Evolution with that and this talk over time and like full disclosure that flies with through without me updating it because I

now also hate that term as well because I think that what we're looking at, I'm not even sure where we're trying to go if it is capitalism, I don't know if it's socialism. I don't know what it is. I feel like it is a thing that has never existed in the history of humanity and I really fucking care what we called it. But I would say that the way that that capitalism exist today I don't know if it can evolve in its current format. I think that what we are talking about is is it's an evolution of people. I don't know how we want to characterize the system, but I know that capitalism in itself

as I have seen it, and as we have seen it, play out over time is one, that's always still very much built on a model of exploitation, or of some group of people taking more, then they put in. And I think that, as long as that imbalance exists, we're always going to feel this tension. How do you get white people to realize that they need to hold other white people accountable and to actually do. So that's a good question. I'm going to try to answer that as a non-white person, right? Because I'm not a white person, but I think I'm just in general. How do people try to

get other people to hold themselves? Accountable? I would say, is like one way to think about it. There's there's the self and then there's like, the others. I feel like there is something that's really special, that is happening. We're both kind of get to see someone who they trust or someone who inspires them model, the kind of behavior that they have been sort of looking to rise into. There's something to be said about us, having examples of really good leadership across the Spectrum, regardless of what cultural background that person comes from. And those stories being told and knows

those Role Models, kind of being lifted up in society compared to. I think a lot of what we see today. But when you think about the Journey of stealth, which Talk about a little bit in that conversation and I didn't really dive into this, but there is an actually on that page my, you know, any of that comes through because there's a link on there to a Twitter thread that I had that's actually talk about mechanisms for accountability and I really do believe that there's these two parts of it. I think half of it is all of the things that you understand about yourself about your purpose

about who you want to show up and be in the world. Those are the things that you get to decide and you get to have some kind of sense of whether you're doing that or not, but you can't get a hundred percent of the picture right to get their real like, highest modality idea of whether you are, who you think you are is also to get the feedback or get the the signals from people around you. And then I'm also confirming that that is true. So obviously were talking about a group of people who you trust and a group of people who know you. Well,

ideally, this is also a diverse group of people because the More diversity, that you have around, you means the more perspective, the world more World experiences and more reality. You get the kind of fold into your understanding of the world. It's basically like we all have a mental model in our head of how the world works, right? And I think about, you know, the things that kind of contribute to your white supremacy. We talked a lot about that today, right? That's as an issue and one of the things that I think is really interesting about about white supremacy or even characterizing like

whiteness as a culture is that it is characterized by having like an incredibly narrow view of the world is characterized by seeing things through a very, very very specific lens and it's about control and having everything around it kind of needs to fit in that fan and anything that does not fit in that band is instantly you know, antagonistic to it. I would slip that on its head right like where what does the world look like when we move from control to empower? When and when we have an understanding of all of the different experiences in all of the different

ways of being and that is possible and actually does exist in this world. Like we end up with a higher Fidelity model of how the world Works, how people think? And it allows us to show up in that world and a way that allows us to navigate and move around it and create solutions for it and much more effective ways. Thank you. Yeah. How should we prepare for the unintended consequences of making big but necessary? Social changes, I think that the first part of it and like, I don't know,

the full answer to that question because I think that really the end of it is something that gets decided by a group of people write like, as big of a group of people as possible and I find myself nowadays, also, answering that any question related like to this in a way that is, maybe unsatisfying for a lot of people because it's like, I can make up an answer to that, but I don't know that I'm the one that should decide, right? Like, that's kind of the point. Is that it shouldn't just be on one person to decide some of these things that should be a critical mass of people who show up and and

decide together what the right thing for the moment that were in today. But that is to say that we're going to take the word to make some bets. We're going to try some stuff, and some of that stuff is going to fail, some of that stuff is going to turn out. Horribly wrong, but I think of the world that we live in today is one where those things happen all the time and somehow, we decided that we must still stay the course. What does it look like if we lived in a world? And we saw that things went horribly wrong and we said, oh, we should stop doing that and maybe do something different, right?

That is the world. I would like to live in. That is not the world we live in today. All right, this is going to be our last question. What are some ways developers? And designers may impact policy-making, to ensure we have an equitable teacher. Yes. Woo. This is a good one. I don't know about policy making in particular, but I think what it is that like, it's not a direct. I don't think that is like a direct like 121 kind of like connection. The thing that I think about like both as a person who, you know,

is sort of a quasi designer, like I have made an end and design products personally is around like the things that we do Shake culture. I think that that is is a really important aspect. I think of how everyone who I imagine is attending Rubicon fright, Building Product, and in building, and contributing to the foundation of of software in many, many ways is making an impact on, not only the culture of the people around you, but ultimately the culture and how those things get used to us as creators and us as

designers, we are actively. Whether we want to acknowledge it or not we are actively having an impact on the way that someone who we will never meet is going to occur. It's the world or experience a product or experience the world as a result of a product that we had some hand in building, right? So when I think about that, I think about our ability to shape culture culture is the thing that I actually ultimately help like discern what ends up becoming policy until I feel like culture is something that moves at a, at a much quicker Pace than policy. And I think that policy

is designed to respond to what people are doing out there in the world. And so it's sometimes, there's kind of, obviously, like a push and pull, but I think about today, even and how Some of the tension that are arising around us at Walt existing around us in and actually, like, kind of at a fever pitch. And I realized that there are the way that things work in the systems that have been, there are institutions, right government Banks, business, whatever you want to call it. All of those things they function in a way. And then, there is the way that people function outside of that,

and we have very much kind of gone along with the plan. I think a lot of that depends on trust. It is based on an assumption that those institutions are serving you and in and have your best interest at heart. And so, you go along with the rules of the game and you do what you do and everybody kind of moved along. But we're at this place where there's a big question. The big tension to wear those institutions are no longer serving us and I think that part of where we are, is deciding, do we still go along with it or not? And if we don't, what are we doing, right? And so, in that case, I think

that You know, the way that those two things play together is one where folks who are going to continue as I can like, I'm going back to the thing. I was just saying before. Like folks are going to continue to push on these things, we're going to actually just start doing the thing that like, this is actually what it should be if you get enough people. Cuz I think the other thing that's worth mentioning is that we live in a really interesting time where we're watching. Power move from these very hierarchical structures to distributed Network. And there is like a way that that

organizing and people mobilizing as groups is easier than ever. It's also harder than ever if you kind of account for the misinformation and in a very disordered information environment. But if you can find your tribe right in your community of people who you trust and those people start to come together and you start to make decisions about what the shared goal that were all working toward. And everybody starts to swim in the same direction like it, absolutely starts to change what happens over here. It neutralizes some of the Imbalance of power that happen and also we start

some model what the society should actually be like. And when those things see that working and we have the numbers and we actually have our own power that we have created. Like that is where, where things really start to shift. So, I'm excited about that and I love just kind of talking about this in and working on this with other people. I feel like the magic is in people coming together and deciding to work on a shared goal and doing shit. I love it. Nice and I have some good news. I was a little mistake in our time. So we have time for a couple more questions, let's do it

as such deep respect for your thinking and process what are steps we can take or resources, we can leverage to sharpen our thinking value Clarity and sense of justice in the Cornel. West sense. Well, I have a bunch of links on that page that I mentioned before, that can take you down a pretty deep Rabbit Hole. I feel like the biggest thing like you can do today is to make a commitment to a lifetime of practice, like it is seeing everything that's happening in this moment and I know that we all have this desire to just

like make that pain go away. But the reality is that we are defined by pain. It is what really shaped us into who we are. And so I think that we should really take these lessons into something that is going to transform us into who we plan on being until the day we die and who we are going to also try to pass that off to the carry that torch. I think that is where a lot of balls have been dropped that lettuce to the moment that were in right now. So that's the first thing and then like I said, I would definitely check out some of those resources. Some of the I

really love to watch read, listen to the scene on Radio podcast. I talked about that a lot on my Twitter. The current season season 4 about the land, that never has been yet talked about American democracy and Steve kind of anti-democratic forces which I think are interesting and also an examination of of who we are and who we have been in and who are we trying to be? There's also a season 2 on they're called seeing white, which examines whiteness and also kind of I stink gets up to sort of grapple with some of the decisions and how humans and particularly in American culture.

We've been directed to kind of make some of the decisions that we are and how we got to where we are today. And then basically anything by Michael sandel, he's a Harvard Professor the book, The Tyranny of Merit, what money can't buy, our big ones that I love and the Ironically, I don't know Atomic habits. I love that book because I feel like it's also something that really just speak to, you know, how we show up and make decisions every day. There's a different talk that I give on racial equity, which I, I love the kind of point out this this thing, where

when people talk about racism in protest in particular, they kind of talked about it and think about it, like, it's like this Boogeyman that's like, going to jump out and like. You're being racist going to call you racist in front of all the people who care about. But the reality of it is like racism is not really, isn't it? Something that it is it's a changes like the decisions that you're making everyday, right? Like these small small decisions that add up to bigger bigger thing until I like Atomic habits because it's something that actually like got me to sort of grapple with

the things that I think I'm trying to achieve. And also like in as much as I'm trying to become a person right like self-actualizing a lot of way Like it's made up of these actions in these decisions that I'm doing every day, all of those things amount to who you are. And so, I think the book is good for that and then one more recommendations give is. Ironically it's a book for couples, but I think that is also just like really, really, really, really powerful is called getting the love. You want by Harville Hendrix. Like I said, it's a book for a relationship but it's actually also a book

about thinking about how your mind works and how people change, and how to be in a relationship with other people and that part about extending your reality to others. With something that I started to understand after reading that book and realizing the way that I was doing that and how I was expecting something from people that I never should have expected. Because all of those things were really in my world and not in there is right? Like it wasn't really fair for me to expect them to show up in that way. So good stuff. Thank you. Are you for real last question this time? How

do you think about resilience in your activism in a complex system? We work within your power is concentrated. Feel like there are small glimmers of change and a lot of disappointment? Well, I don't know. I feel like I want to say something that's not going to be depressing, but I don't know how to talk about resilience without talking about pain and tension and conflict. Because I think that resilience is something that is a bit like a muscle that only really gets strengthened by going through hardship. Like, if you don't have

conflict in your life, like how will you ever even know if you're resilient or not? Like, how will you ever put that to the test? So, I don't know, like, even when I think about our current moment in history and how shity it is that we're all stuck inside because like everything's fucking on Is that like you do the silver lining to everything that's happening? Around us right now, is like every bit of this system that get broken or something exposed. That we thought was one way, and it turns out that is actually not that, right? It's, it's super depressing.

But at the same time, it's an opportunity. All of these, these crises are opportunities for us to do something different and the more it break, the more opportunity there is for us to completely remake it in a way that actually works the way it should have. When those things only like you know, shift incrementally then we only do like incremental changes when it's completely cracked and unsalvageable like you got to kind of like start over and so I think that there's there's something good to come out of the bad as well and that's kind of how I think about resilience.

All right. Well there were more questions. So feel free to head on over to and he is Keynotes slack channel to continue the conversation and thank you so much for your wonderful, wonderful, wonderful talk and for coming through because we will be starting our Q&A with mats after a super quick break. So, grab some water stretched and we will see you there. Thank you. I'll see you guys on Slack.

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