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Zulfiquar Z Ghadiyali
Executive Director at HH Sheikh Hamdan bin Khalifa bin Hamdan Al Nahyan
Michelle Chivunga
CEO/Founder/Investor at Global Policy House

CEO/Investor- Global Policy House and Senior Advisor to several Governments,Multilateral institutions and Family Office Firms and Investment Groups Globally Government of Bermuda - African Union - World Union of Small and Medium Enterprises FinTech4Good - Senator World Business Angels Investment Forum partner African Development Bank

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Right eye, everybody. Good morning. Pretty good to be here. How's everybody feeling this morning? Find Subs Day. Come on, guys. Been. We want. We want to hear the voices of an affluent from London last night and I'm still trying to get over the hour difference. But I think I'm feeling much better this morning. I was exhausted yesterday to be here with you. How are you doing this morning, You always was. Yes. Absolutely. No, it's great. Thank you so much for coming this morning. So really, you know today we really want to talk a little bit more around sustainable investment. So from

your Viewpoint, you know, what do you consider to be you? No significant around sustainable investment, especially now we've had a rough time at the most economies around the world. Have had a rough time with covid-19 away, starting to think about how do we build back better? Is there a role for sustainable Investments to to play a part in terms of building? Back that a lot of your toes? I think it's interesting question and what it comes from the fact that earlier we were into the businesses which you were unsure of ourselves about like a living example, and I will not put my friend on this

because he hates when I say that one of the leading cigar brands in the world and the person who owns it has never smoking cigars. They were in his life. So now, I see a different turned all together. You don't like, people want to believe in what they're doing. People want to invest their money where they feel is correct from bottom of their heart, as big as the seasons change in the mindset, single earlier. We were doing this because we had to be another option, like a master's in the hospital, if it was supposed to get it. Unless, you know, of course, I cook. Sometimes, my wife agree

with that. So much are having said that, I believe, Staind ability, and the ethical ESG, what we call this the big important question today, and I think it's all related to each other when it comes to Call Shannon, especially the environment is the last priority. The government becomes desegregated will be the government. Of course you bring a government which is the most important. Every one of you will agree that there's an option to cross the word it because of the government influenza A in the corrupting, the whole government.

The most important aspect of blockchain is bringing in the government. And of course, the social aspect and then comes up impact study and then comes the environment. But when I look at the boys like a robbery or working on a completely rejuvenated, the whole sector, how many? So it feels so fresh to see somebody thinking about her aerobics, the environment to create a renewable tokenization, Linda with antifreeze, and that's what excited me. Actually. That is one of the reasons why I am so excited about this new trend, and you want to open those like him coming up with these great ideas

and Of course, it's going to be a long-term relationship with him, but they're coming back to your question on sustainability. I believe everything that we're doing today is a challenge that this post was at every juncture. Is it going to be good for us? It is going to be good for baby planet and don't get me wrong as in no danger exist on Planet is in danger, but let's not just a word. Let's hear Sam human existence on Earth. And then everybody understands that because I am as part of the UN, we speak a lot of forms worldwide. And the moment I say you are the young boys and

girl sitting in the organs that life. Can we do a small animal walking on the planet? But the moment you say, Save Your Existence and then do what was required to save their existence. They need to water, the need to renew energy resources. So that is completely the office. Which of course, that's my primary role of the United Nations University for us to continue to have the funding for our projects and our University. The first question I asked was like, then

how do we raise money legal impact, from Impact investors and a circular economy around the university. And then I, how do we do that? I said today University's graduation half of them. Do not get jobs, you know, and that's why I therefore it's not to up for education. Of course, they have to take expensive loans and borrow money from families. So I said, if I'm asking somebody to study at my University, I should be able to give you all of them. I created a job creation for them. And at the same time, I created an Avenue where they can find investment for the status, of course, that requires a

lot, of course, lot of money. And then we reached out to Aldi corporate investors of hours and here we are sitting on a 20 billion dollar commitments and everybody wants to do it. But if you want to know what I'm going to do with my money, how is it going to make me look so silly. How is it going to make me look? Politically how it going to impact my Society? But at the end of the day or two about human nature with love and empathy. So how did we give it back to society?

And that's what the whole broad concept of sustainability comes in the picture. And for long-term piece. Of course, it is such a development. Just wondering from the room. I see how many people would consider their companies to be sustainable today. Christ quite a few Hands of Hope. You talk to see a lot more hands. I think, you know, the direction that we are, we are taking. I mean, I've just come from from the UK. We have Coke 26 going on and I was hoping to say, I just resent the in one of the, you know, they'd Ambitions reading with what

kind of steaks is Ice-T for united front, when it comes to sustainability to look at impact almost as part of the business, part of the posters embedded within your, your your system. So, very interesting to hear you talk about the United Nations in the work that you're doing with the UN. We've invested quite a lot, working with a u. And especially when it comes to things like women, empowerment, programmes, and making sure that we have inclusivity agendas that we have in place to support different societies. So I'm just wondering from your point in terms of impact, if you look at the

impact bit, how would you measure the impact was not quite tricky for a lot of people to measure impact. So, how would you go about measuring impact? I think it's, it's well and good. Investing and, you know, channeling financing to sustainable projects, but then he's supposed to really important at the most significant, Ashley on how you measure that impact and how you scale the operations, the white one drink from your viewpoints. You are on the scalability and also around a impact and measuring that,

what we saw before wasn't happening was that load of diesel. Tech investors were giving money to let the universities universities, especially. I mean, I'm not criticizing u s b. U s University in particular. You like to hold a technology for themselves up all the way. And then still, at the end of the day, the technology is still owned by the University's it all. And then you cannot measure the impact of that investment because it's still to the chest of

the University. Them back is not felt ever. So we decided to reverse the trend, and that's the reason why we were delivered. How to raise more money is because we went to the university Zam Indian restaurant and said, we don't want the money for ourselves because we out of court United Nations. We cannot keep the money for ourselves. We said we would Empower individuals to our Center of Excellence. We have created digital mentorship program is totally digital. Our partner. At the moment is Itachi Giants, on social Innovation front, these the mentor partners are going to be entered these

innovative ideas to impact these Innovative Concepts to Creation on the digital mentorship platform. That is under a provision which is called peace, Innovation initiative under the commission for peace, and the cosmos America are apart of the commission for peace. Should I go back to the University's? We, all of us got car towed, ready to go back to the youth. We need to get to the students interested in them. Just more of Science and education. Let's teach and sustainability desensitized a stuffed animal. Best of the scientist best of the

technicians, engineers and mathematicians. You calling stem and sometimes that I don't know about that, but if you're sensitise them towards the set, an alarm in 10, 15, b side of things, I think, wonderful result can be achieved, and that's our goal at the peace Innovation initiative. And when they have this great ideas and some of the opportunities, but if you'll give them these important investment at that point, when they're young, when they were ideas, that aspiration, that's where the real impact can be friends, because you could have so many. And some of them are starting to

unicorn. That's the best way to monitor the impact of not, keeping the Technologies and ideas to your chest, and let the ignition know the inventor go out of business. So, that's how you doing. Yeah, and sometimes it's almost quite difficult to Ashley measure impact, right? So, really important Point around how you're channeling it to startups and you know, companies watch the investing and doing good in. Space that I know the area that always kind of concerns me around the sustainability. I mean, we're in the blocks in space. When is she driven Russian company in the UK? But Wilson Investment

Company. So we like to invest in businesses that are very sustainable. You know, any questions about impact, make it that business that everyday business that I do to look at it. A try to make sure that they give him back because we believe you could give back you will also receive back. Right? So another question I have for you is, you know, as we kind of pivot which we have pivoted, always be with digital rights are since covid. So I was with. And we move into the digital Revolution, one of the biggest areas that we've been covering is looking at the impact investment across the

African continent. Now, the African continent has come together and United to create the biggest trading trading block rights in the world, with the consent of free trade area. And they of course they impact the wrong things, like climate and is really hitting the continent quite hard. We're thinking about where else do. So so tentative sources of Finance to support the investment into Mitchell sustainable projects in Africa, when you look at a consonant like that and you look at the region here, do you see any potential synergies especially around sustainability and impact investment

with these two regions in particular? Of course, I want a man that has always been on the receiving end in a negative way, of course, and I don't blame them. I see if we can leaders and the events at the Expo and they all in the complaining mode. They're always like, this was the USS video like this, and I had all kind of complaints and what have you done? That's what I really want to do something. Just recently, we finalize investment in the Cancer Research Center

in Africa. And while we were looking at that opportunity, they found that there's not even one single Cancel research institution in African entire continent of Africa, research institution people piece, Cancer Institute, coupled with the hospital, couple of more glass, oncology Research Center. That's what we're doing right now. And there's more investment that can come from, at least from the US, from the Western World better than institutional investors who are more aligned impact investing.

And I'm sorry to say the family office in, are you in the Middle East looks very, very negative at the moment. They have not yet realized the importance of ESD and the social impact investing testing very mercenary in their ways. I don't see them like me as a missionary mercenary is just change the results missionary goes long templates, you a certain object to for the world. So that's very disappointing to see the trend in the Middle East. I want that to improve. I want more conducive policies to be created so that more impact fund and talk about institutional. Signal private

investment institutionalizing it. I'm talking about, getting the support and talking about giving the incentive. So that more and more impact fund can be set up. Let's make it more easier for those pants to set up. This phone. Visit is little difficult around here. So I want those policy decisions to implement. But Africa has two and Latin America Africa and Latin America. These are the two areas of our interests at the moment that countries like a zombie. I like I was yesterday with the minister country, a countries like growing at a rapid Pace South Africa State. Mastering this

cancer research institution and North Africa, getting another ball game. That's because another ball game completely. We want to see a good amount of like in next 3 to 4 years. I want to see Healthcare to. That's one of the most important aspect in Africa special. I think in a one of the interesting things when it comes to Africa is that there's a level of Education. I think the world needs to understand about Africa, right? We've always kind of, perceived Africa, as a place. We need, we need to give what we need to go and assist. When your actual fact,

there's quite a lot of innovation happening on the continent of Africa Africa is actually leading world, the world. When it comes to payment Innovation, for example, mobile money, payments. So I think is it and it's acacian piece. I was so that needs to happen. Even within the investment circles to actually understand one of the opportunities in his countenance. I think you missed opportunities. If you don't record education, peace, and if you don't look up, what unit is around, things, like sustainable, Investments across the continent because they are many. Such a flow, you

know, between Africa and the rest of the world and actually starting to see Africa's an equal Level Playing Field area, where you can invest where you can you know, if you you do your juices diligence and you were quite carefully with the local. Do you find business opportunities? I mean, I'm a businesswoman. I tend to think about things in the Indian Indian also practical terms, right? So if you able to find a market, you want to know who's who you want to do your due diligence, you want to look at data, exactly. The same thing, when it comes to the continent of Africa. And

I think a lot of people not looking to invest into Africa, you know, and as you've outlined try this number of countries already that you're looking at. So for me, the other kind of question I had for you, you know, before we look at a rocking out, these asked you, if you had to pick three regions in the world, where would you say you're going to focus your Investments moving forward, especially sustainable Investments? So attentively investment is totally different from philanthropist and charity. I have my biggest fight with the most of the biggest organization is that they're mostly focused

on charity charity. Enslaves people while investing in the, in the sustainable project Empower people. It's not about telling you give me manna fish, but not just training him how to fish, but also get him access to the market, to sell the fish, and pretty location central, so that we can cultivate bacillus, species of fish. That this is, how you create a circular economy investment in circular economy is the most important thing we need to do. Now. I just have to let an American impact investment opportunity in the heart of Europe, and let's not just in Europe is only, Germany, France, and

Italy, you know, that is Albania. That is, there is a lot of other countries require urgent attention. And I talked about the impact investing. What did he didn't? Have a lot of gold. Lot of money, but you have a real pain is in Latin America, right now. I really am focusing on that. African, of course, will continue to because of the dependency that has been created and empowerment was never bet. It was only take me to go get a requirement for development of human. Index is where I'm interested in to put my dollar that

like to engage the audience. I don't like, just talkin out, you the right? So, I like to engage the audience. So now that you've had everything that we've discussed over. How many of you wants to be sustainable businesses moving forward. I expect every hand grades. Okay, we we we we kind of Bryson the number's a bit of the things that we are looking at is we're looking to invest into 10 million women-led businesses as a company for us and we made that as an objective for the next couple of years and the challenge around. That is obviously trying to number one, reach

the different women that businesses across the world with the focus of his Emerging Markets as we do. So, I'm interested from your viewpoints. You know, what, your long-term Ambitions are around the impact investment. And then also, you know, where would you, what, what is the one thing you like to see change around sustainable impact investment between me? And my wife, ER, mobaraka. We in the last one. You have employed 12,000 Lumen. I want a husband to losing job, due to pandemic, we decided to get into some Training,

like making food at home and selling it candle, making chocolate, making and Lilly stock of the corporate you gifts your, you gift your plans and during festivals. Why not? He was an opportunity to compromise on quality and recreated 12,000 jobs while their husbands are losing jobs, you know, so we were able to run their homes. In fact you want for them and asked us to even speak at the general assembly to mention about how to how rich is that task? And that was with the tribal woman and women are real power to do property line. So I think gender equality and diversity projects are some of

the most important project for that at the moment. If a woman jump out almost 50% of the population that the biggest impact that you can create and halves of the UAE for that today in the government sector is almost 50% participation of events. That's the best example of gender equality. Rest must learn from this and all Saudi Arabia, the way that it was in 2018. Cambodian Edward, can I make for an interaction? I had with the lady in charge. I can recollect her name, but the conversation that we had kind of

changed our mind towards the foundation by there has been good job. So if there is a lot of inspiration around, you know, it seems like only fair opens your mind, but gender equality. It will continue to remain interracial projects in Canada. Specially what we're doing with the First Nations and the occasion, white population, you working a lot on those projects are, they will continue to remain. And, of course, we can ignore what I think, we, we are, we've come to time. But I just took to summarize. I mean, I, this is my third time coming to Dubai in the space of two months. So

that should give you some ideas as to. Who, you know. I see many many opportunities here, and, I was so many open spaces between Africa. And the region here. I've been inspired by the women. Have met a lot of fantastic, you know, many women, which I'm excited about in the region. Very, very exciting in terms of engaging with the region. And we certainly will be back. So I think it's a rock. I don't know if we have time for one question. Maybe from the audience. One, just one anybody wants to go. I definitely shed some time for you guys. Yes, please.

Is that to my cell phone? What we can do is that we can engage with the University's, so as many universities that you can bring on board because what happened with the university for peace was, it's the only University or part of the peacekeeping mission of the UN, which is preventive, 20 Wars usually peacekeeping forces go. When there's work to go to clean the piece that we are the only preventive organization within the UN, which works towards creation of peace. And they cannot create create peace, without such a

development and to achieve sustainable development. We have to go back to the youth and English system scientist technician, and engineer is mathematic mean for SD G&E. We want to participate and partner with as many universities as we can because I can build a diversity the next five years, but I can definitely do I have 150. We will run the center of excellence. There. Will Advocate will motivate the crate ideas and reach them to impact all absolutely of the Investments that we will rid ourselves of any changes with the University. Largest me and you that we can do it alone. So

yeah, thanks for asking this question. It's kind of a sales pitch for me. Thank you. I think the world needs to work that. I think the world needs to respect one another in different countries and come together to solve the problems that we have a setting for my end as a company. Even though we're a bad pumpkin make you as well as a non-profit company. We're very interested in supporting others. So for us, it's about collaboration working with us and

those who are trying to channel investments into the right project, especially impact the sustainable project. I mentioned odia Runway, trying to reach this 10 million women to support the middle. B. Sister Finance as we know women struggle with access to finance. So I'm making it a personal mission to invest into women that businesses to support better access to finance. So if you're interested in investing in Reedy, impact-driven projects, then, please do join us and we can work together. We are looking at, for example, Africa, 55 countries are very unique. A population, you

know of about 1.3 billion right to give you that the numbers, you know, you GG. Tons of a 3.24 trillion some massive business opportunities and people from across the world. So looking for calibrations and partners. Thank you so much, ladies and gents. A used brick. But your breath. Will bring couple chairs on the stage. Do the next up? We have a panel discussion, defy, and if she is, I'm watching investment opportunities moderated, by a very good friend of mine. Very wise,

gentleman. Austin, her happy to see you again from Roof hotel. Please. Come on his page. You don't mind. Maybe can help me get dressed. If you're just your cope analyst. You're a big guy. Happy to see you here. And I also think you won the prize recently for best startups, that something maybe the name drop that a little Plaza. Okay, thank you, buddy. Thank you. Googling great session with my friends, Dorothy and Michelle Weldon, grade take away from their missionaries and mercenaries. Okay. So

how many of you picked up on that weld on? How many of you truly believe in that? Well done. Well, done through one this, I'm not about to walking about it. The whole thing in the whole platform that we are trying to do here is about making a difference in 1 billion people's lives. It's not about money to Wallace. This panel is about investment opportunities. I want to challenge the panel. So let me just call them in wallet, Adrienne, David, and search it.

Guys, come on down. Round of Applause for tomorrow. Thank you guys list of the Edwards. That's the way I like doing these things. So, but I will give you one minute. I am XYZ. This is what I do for the company. After that. No, Edwards, hard killed stuff. Ariana, good morning. Everybody. I made 20 + Co I'm a Serial entrepreneur and investor and Miami. Volume two projects, local, and consult you a possible changes to the currency. The Winner's decentralized autonomous organization. And also I'm evolve in the growing Lotto can.com towards IQ besides other roles. Very happy to be here

and contribute. I find what you we are doing part of a very important mission. Good morning, everybody. My name is sent it, and I am taking over the car came, and I believe in the fighting and everything very much. So I can do all the technical operations, a dark archon, and I have been like, from the morning everyone. I'm David and are currently the general partner and coral capital of defy, Focus hedge fund and also the co-founder of the parent company of Canada, a couple months ago, prior to that. I found a couple of

crypto Investment Bank solidex, partners and 2014 Galaxy digital in 2017, but my part and helping grow this face and now helping grow as well. Good morning. My name is Buddy. what's a company and our investments and Play into blockchain and in our proxy and related Technologies, relatively new. So we've been exposed to the crypto exchange, some applications and gaming and now we're very much excited to see the applications and me not start to grow. So that since we focus here,

it's a it's exciting times. Thank you for the invitation. Okay, thank you guys. Let's raise the energy of a little bit or I don't think that you're going to be shy to retreat here, right? Okay, first question and follow-up to the previous panel. How many of you guys actually look out for Investments where it's got an element of War icono on the sustainability, but what my focus is on Cuban sustainability as well. Meaning there are so many projects so many NFC platform. So many marketplaces everyone giving you all sorts of guilt play.

Since taking place from you know, 5% to the XXX number symptoms of apy is right. How many of you look to say? Okay. These particular ones are also doing something good for the humanity rather than what we all hear about this pump down since camps, right? How many of you? And I'd like to hear your view at the yard right now. I'm looking at you first because I know I know you guys close to your heart. We go back 15 plus years in Romania, element world and the actual game with everything decentralized. When the power is given back to the little guy, deleted

user to ask to meet. It comes also a responsibility. And when am I an advising a project. I also have a holistic approach if it's sustained by nature or not. Maybe we laughed. So first, I'm looking at the team, what they did in the past, what kind of successes they had. What kind of failure is after that? Looking, if there is any technological breakthrough technological innovation because everything will evolve, if there is innovation, not, if there are copycats

or think like that. And after that, I'm looking at the potential for masseduction and somehow I try to figure out if there is also a human element, you know, a thing that will make the world a better place, you know, if if, if that project will serve its part in helping this mission to bring the power back to the little guy. But of course, with this power, it comes responsibility. So we as users, we have to look like crazy. It's a learning curve and everybody has to do that.

Because if we Outsource these two, other people to influence, others will give them the responsibilities at 3 to 4. Accu-Chek, so, we need to put it in this effort, and because you are in this room, we are in this room. We are part of this effort. We could be on the beach right now, right? Or sipping. Margaritas babies margaritas will be there in just 22 to close. This idea, defy space, and this new world, which is building a vault, like the days, the dates follow the night, if it happens, it will happen. So

another note for us to become obsolete. We also need to do our part. It's mandatory. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, David. I'd like to pick on you here at, you know, from your Capital Partners has as well as the NFP platform hat. Do you genuinely? Look at companies? You know, like I do one of the ticklish spots that is, is this thing good for the community. Do they give back in charity, do they have sustainable sings for anything to do with equal related things, you know, the fact that a lot of the middleman start out the transport of green

energy, the way they do their mind into his brother. Do they do something back for Humanity. Do you have that kind of like ticklish when you are selecting investment? Unfortunately, this is the missionary versus the mercenary bit. Okay, I look at it and I actually really like, the way that I was framed. I came from a very much describe being in a hedge fund in on a traditional role as being very much, a mercenary. Now, what I love about and I've been inspired about Everybody, when they get into the crypto space, they become more of whatever they were before. They came from a

trading, or Investments background, and you'd understand, economics and law and release dates technology and community, and all these other aspect. They came from all. They need to understand the trading side in the best inside and all that. And so, what I do think about is a lot, like medium and long-term, potential and locks from the human capital Side by participating, by participating in towels, and all of the new experimentation that we're seeing him space. So I might do is that by investing in people that are excited too and innovating with any cryptocurrency face that that's enabling

kind of. It's going to take me to snow more sustainable. Future over the medium-to-long term. I don't like to play Everything by the book. So I'm going to challenge you here and take it to Wally to maybe. The way I look at investment first. I look at the people have their hearts in the right place. Okay, I don't care. Whether you have gold diamond, whatever. You can't look, clean polish. And then look out for because this Market is like that, but the person who gives back to the community, has the values. When I call principles in life and want to do something good for

society. They will fall into a missionary camp. The ones who are just coming. Sorry to say it from a Cutthroat, Hedgehog type of an environment. All they care about is Rya people who walk, where why? And that's where I think a lot of the problems in this place exists with the pumps dumb and the ruthless dare. I say, Elon Musk types of behaviors. And Jay, Jamie dimon types of behaviors that all men purely for money Mastery. Way of doing business. Why did I know? It's bubbling in reply to

that. Make a little bit more exciting here. Yeah, it's always been a debate to what extent money in capital has a real impact on society, and I don't have the answers. Unfortunately, and I'm sure there's a lot of Economist bhd's of spend time, understanding of the specifically, in the new, in the new crypto driven block, chain, driven world, where, you know, you have less data unless, you know, impact measurement. But I have a very high-level kind of answers to that at least

as a venture capitalist. We are profit-driven. This is why we exist as companies. And we'd like we try to adhere to the highest standards in terms of ESV. You in terms of whatever is being adopted input for globally. But to come and say that we are impact Focus. Would be wrong of denomination, right? That's it. I think investing in startups companies, new ideas, young people, by default, support job creation song about real jobs were talking about Mobility. We allow participation of younger people, participation of

minority, participation of women, through through the building. And that's a byproduct of what we do. That's not necessarily wherever investor wakes up in the morning trying to take these boxes. I think, when you do this even more in Emerging Markets, so you go to Egypt and you go to the GCC and you go to Africa and you do the stats at bigger and bigger scale. I think you even your contribution goes 100 miles loaded. 2009 model. We going to talk about how to unlock as the as the topic says. Okay now moving gently onto

unlocking and if 3 + D5 Base projects. Do you think it in my view again? People should have a strategy not only from the opportunistic manner which I would say probably 89% of people. Com. Everyone fighting against taking pooling of nftl multipliers, Marketplace, postings, tried to grab the biggest opportunistic window during the Bull Run. We are in a bull run, but I've seen the.com bubble burst. I've been right at the heart of it and this will happen next

year, you know, so do you think this opportunity behavior is sustainable or not? And I'm going to ask you this. Do you think this opportunity stick behavior is sustainable? And to do you think that People, if they looked at how they make an impact on 1 billion people's lives, you know, it's kind of like my man Drop of panniers. It can't be more sustainable because you know, you know only bring the typical give them the fish with teaching them to fish and do the different species of the fish and all that. In my youth, as a

sustainable model us. The youngest guy on the panel hear such it. How would you see the world going forward? You want this pump-and-dump, way of opportunistic, way of doing Define ft platform to sustainable way of doing it. I personally believe that these are here to sustain and in the coming times the projects with like a damn, I will be not there. But with the actual use case, the project will be there in within a feast because then it is a thing which is really backed up by the value of the

projects. So like For sustainability become insisted that the entities which are really bad by the strongest person and the values. It holds definitely says be entered into the market in the long run. So coming back to the impact. And if I did this last year on a platform, with Michelle, Gordon mention, I would rather bring the small guys become more popular. And that's how you make them famous than just getting the blacks of The Beatles most popular. So when you get the small players who can do a song or a piece of autocross, whatever-it-is into the NST

metaverse space and bring the physical product with the virtual product from a nobody then you become sustainable. And I know it's something you guys are doing as well. So what's your view on future of those platforms? Just do you think that some of these from the nfb nd5 platforms, Will Survive or die? By claiming that they are only having the jpegs and PNG form will definitely not survive because they don't have any value back to buy them. So in my case in a

carton, we have the value backed up by the NFC in the case of property Deeds, which place the value of the listing price of the NFTA chili. Let's take it to another level now. Do you think you know what, the reason why we are in less than one tenth of a percent of taking this Market. Do you think the people us included more in the defiant? Empty space? Do you think we making it more difficult for the general masses, to be included to invest in here to make the opportunity, even bigger? You think? I don't know, maybe a u r, u x based sing. Maybe it's just how difficult

we make it for the average person. Just to do with two or three clicks to invest. You think these are some of the barriers that we are facing just now and we all know helping ourselves in the market. You know, where is Syracuse? Everybody think seems very simple. And we have the impression because we we, we are talking to people around us and everything but seems very simple and we have the impression that is simple for everybody. But in fact is not and usability of the platforms is one of the major things blocking your dog adoption of defy.

The next one I would say is the the security of it with Computing degree you. It's not easy for me to just say this, what I'll do this one, I'll get, this is what I received at the end. Where is simple? Yes, so do use abilities. It's very, very important. The next one is the security of the funds because people are used. Okay. I'm putting this amount in a bank account. It will be there. Most likely with the different platforms. You don't have the security and after got the blockchain slang which is very common for us has to be translated.

So the red Non-tech people who don't wants to make the effort to upgrade their skills to understand, because it was saying there's a learning curve and because it, it was mentioned. Before. The few months. I do things, especially when you are, we are talking about hedge funds and investment investment and trading. These are ruthless Words Factory. So we're raising the market is driven by greed. When the market is up, and by fear when the market is down, until us will be able to manage our own emotions. We'd be all

the time in the world up in a roller coaster. So, we have to work on her. What kind of things have you seen? Or you doing to really unlock investment opportunities? Because even lost 34 years, we've seen its become slightly easier for some of the exchanges with simple ways of doing Simple by cells or invest, but this is in our world because we know what kind of things do you see in the future? Because I see people having a engagement where it is. Just want to clicks this water. Do you put in this? What you

get? And this is your insurance? What do you see going forward will unlock some of these investment opportunities. I think it's actually it's not that important to worry about where things are today in terms of how it just the the nice UI ux and how it is because I look at it like we're still in this experimentation phase with Angie. If I don't know if we are in the space, it's still we are anal. Let's get down. I think it is important to have that like 10 Things. I really try to do is whatever the

markets are a bit too greedy. I try to instill that beer a little bit and people and just caution because you know, where we are in a cycle. There are there's a Allow the top cryptoassets break out and continue to break out from here. But at the same time, a lot of the newer projects and recently issued launch projects are not going to work out so well in the medium-to-long-term. And so I think there was a great line medical everything he described crypto as the new America and what he meant by that was this concept of America, fries origin of just

anybody around the world can join decide to join this new crypto asset world and it doesn't actually take that much. It can be a little scary at first. It doesn't take that much education. Like you said, you were looking a couple buttons right to figure out the difference is in the nuances between one chain and another or, you know, living in this bed and putting out of pieces of weather. We're going to have this multichain world right in the whole ecosystems around them. But the same way that we have multiple countries, multiple languages, the idea of a multichain world, right?

Isn't that far-fetched? And so, when I think about how our unlocking investment opportunities right in everything? Summing it does start with education. It starts with getting your hands dirty. So what up? What I really try to do is urge people to actually get past the just crypto 101 and buying something on an exchange. This is it easy and really actually see the power of taking things off the exchange. Doing a couple of native digital assets transactions and seeing how taking ownership of their money and Abel's them and kind of lead them towards a better future. Yeah, but okay.

Sorry, I'll disagree. I'll tell you why. In the.com days. In the early days, you have to sit there and do your DHCP and DNS and domain servers and all this BS type of configuration switch. Again. Same things happening here, people needed to learn. That's why the adoption to good model, 10 years. And I remember in the valley with sun very long to get people to move there from the early, Netscape days to 10 days and then nobody cared how the internet works. We aren't like that in the car to work, but we've been here for 10 years.

So some of the things you're saying, it's okay to do this. No, I think it's when The Grandfather's grandmother's can just go, like, how they do a Google search. You say, I want to invest, what do I, where do I go? And when it's that simple, I think that's when we acted for massive adoption and big investment opportunities for defying an empty players. 9% + have not taken part in this Movement. We haven't even touched it. Look what's happened to the internet when it started to

now, so, this is not, this is not even sex yet. Sorry, exceed until you had, every Grant are mother and father having been there to give the money to Google Xbox an arrangement. All the things they were doing, we will head the vision in the nineties of the.com, in the network, bring the computer, which is now the cloud and Google with all the Google Docs and everything to doing that. With the shed Cloud, You can Google Groups on an open sore. Still be there. We're

talking about 20 years ago, and now, the internet's established to be able to do Define nnfd at a simplistic way of investment should be possible. That we are assuming that the average person knows where they serve BSC, or inferior Wendy Ork, trono, something we are assuming that when we are implementing Solutions and that's wrong. Why you don't like to bring you in here? You are. You look deep in thought on how to put the magic. Into really taking this exponentially.

Okay, I think that in every product and every product that option cycle or technology adoption cycle, you need certain hypotheses. Can you speak about the.com? It's because it's very well. I started my.., and I and I remember very well to say reality is Thanksgiving doesn't get built in one day when we speak about the new and I'm and I'm actually technically the least experts here on the scope to talk about Definitive Technology perspective. What? I kind of understood the commercial applications of

NFC in and not virtual virtual economy. Today is limited to social media. Crypto Trading. Make right. And these three today are sizable businesses. They're not small businesses that used to be small 5-10 years ago, not blaming, you know, they're moving forward in order to take those into e-commerce into Banking and to insurance and to Alton to health care if you're going to need, you think. So, first of all, you need, you need the cloud infrastructure

to the globally implemented and accessible to everyone around. You need mobile, penetration and mobile adoption. And I'm not talking about the device. You know, I'm talking about accounts and still go to the bank and credit card. Three of you say, you have Generations that I pick and choose platform. There's a reason why Tik-Tok is popular with certain demographic and Facebook is life. There is no point in debating, who's wearing the end of the day. Every every generation will find will find this place?

In some countries on where this will go and I don't, I don't know the answer. Not think anyone will see, but it seems that we've we crossed the, we crossed the Rubicon when it comes to a global adoption with, if he is being introduced as normal products. So basically that regulatory question opened up the bank account for people to participate and then I need to find a step of its would be the actual commercial application. That's why I can't be at Venture. Capitalists have the duty to pick and choose and back the good entrepreneurs, looking to build, what's going to come. I

think we're almost there. I mean, most of that has been built and has been tested and proven at its sizeable Katie. We're not talking about, you know, who GP type of us. Now, are you going to take it because of the entire planet? Is it going to work the same way in China and India and the niece, of course not know but nobody knows that I'm not a specialist. The Mena region. I get to see Trends here, right? 10 years ago. We started adopting e-commerce, but he comments was it after 25 years ago and there's a lot of fine celavie.

This is where we live. That's how we do. But is also a ligand. The type of entrepreneurs that are coming in. And what you said is very interesting because this is the first time in my fifteen years of killing me. See here that I see it through much faster, velocity in entrepreneurial adoption coming from all over the world. May be devised. A fantastic down to Canada absorb this Talent. Got, that I haven't seen before. I think that's exciting. I think there's way more women that are participating in that economy. That wasn't the case, you know, she used to go in that

specific economy. I think, you know, you have the kids today. Like I'm not talking about the kids out of car. You, no less than 18 years old kids. Is there an active, and it'll end? That's exciting. So I think we're we're on a trajectory. I'm not sure about the correction. Of course, it would be corrections. But the trend is upward correction Corrections, anything that goes up so fast has to readjust why, you know, a lot of us Maiden lost, tens of millions during the.com bust as well. And we seen that over here three times already since the last four years alone.

Midgets. Is the youngest person on this panelist with a city or head? Where would you see all the problems for what I called? Just now in this Marketplace, a lot of the younger relatives here. Younger people like to play in because most of it's going gay, men metaverse, even some of the Define related things are going that way, and I see a convergence between defy and nfc's as well, but we building it as well as ourselves. Where do you see the younger generation to bring in that three full weight

experience to investing is going? So, you don't end up gamification way with d5ns Ds into a metal, or some Multiverse is what I'm championing, the physical appearance. Less than the Dish television and waiting for the gamers will bring them more into the digitalized. I buy a used catches of NFL and defy and physical experience will be reduced in the future. I think. So I said earlier, I'd like to pick on that. It has made of the NFC and the fire space. A lot more interesting faster cuz people have been home and a ticket into

education, 12 looking at alternative sources of income. A lot of people have lost money tree. You get Bruno his volleyball saying, you get the, the wives, or their girlfriends or whoever who have now, said, hang on. There's an opportunity for us to As well. A while staying at home, right? So they could have families as well. And do that. You think that I know you buried? Who else is married around here. Just you and me broke. So do you think I can be interesting to hear your point?

Do you think your wife for example, encourages children? I know my kids, the age of 8 and 10 will making money when internet was very young. And I know lots of children less than 16 years are making a million juicing. Now, the boundaries, what Kobe has created? As a as a hand in it, in a nice way, I guess to accelerate this opportunity. For sure, so I'm blessed with three daughters. The youngest one is 1, year-old 7 year-old and the big one is 11 year old and a seven in the 11. Are they into this making money? Like how you did

they do? They do Tik tok's. They create movies to monetize. They have known channels. The middle one is playing Roblox and I want to, to, to put her to play X's that they are totally crazy in this space because they were. So I keep them around to me and they see me in the cold sometimes in Saturdays and Sundays. Then they see me struggle all the time with the schedule and everything. So I keep them because I believe the best strategy is to teach them to evolve early and Go to learn very early about the dangerous not to keep them away

because sooner or later, they will discover. Anyway, the spaces and will not be prepared. So the earliest they can involve they can also create an income because an eight-year-old today can have an income sometimes even bigger than their parents and the earlier the better and she and I we encourage them to to to do it. But not graded dependency because this is the biggest danger and Doctor problem, is that sometimes two games and movies. There are instilled some negative patterns, which could be destructive for children and

they have to figure out how to avoid that. I have to learn about Yeah, I think the days are over. I tell my kids and nephews nieces all these people that you know, forget Rich Dad, Poor Dad, scenarios open up having mess up your sake couple times today. So now about rich to run to a dance. You know what I think it is arrived and I know lots of families where the children are learning a lot more than their parents ever did for the world is changing and that's why I wanted to pick up here. So with that now we have time to get up

guys. One S wrap up. Amazing sucks. Thanks a lot. Okay. He's up for getting my Bitcoin sauce. That was my wife's decision to this. Guy's a quick 30 second, final comments on, on this subject, starting from. Well at this one now. I think I said it, it's exciting times and I look forward to the next 10 years and the economy new account like you was doing. When the market pullback 60% from 2 trillion to 1 trillion and everything is fine leopard Unwound. Nothing had no systems

bailed out. It's a really proved out the robustness of this whole defy world and new digital asset. Ecosystem has been created so that gave me pretty strong confidence in the growth of said take your time. Malaysian eyes. This is definitely a great extent where it is impossible to come back right now. We are here. So it is too early for us and I'm proud that we are into this. Never too late to go for it. No matter the Temptations. Stay on the article sight, no matter, the Temptations. I'm repeating and focus on

building for some contribution. Focus on serving used weekends to educate yourself instead of watching movies because at the end of the day, the guys with the movies, wait, when will make more money, don't ever be the kind of parent to have kids are getting more money than you are. They can do it, but you have to compete with them. So you need to upgrade your knowledge and remain. A twenty-year-old guy or girl with the open mind set to absorb. What's new? Thank you very much for your fault. Thank you, Adrian. And,

as I said, encourage all your children, believe me. Don't have this stigma, that it's a competition. Work with them, involve them in your business and involve them to learn with, you take them to events. You know, I mean, I do that as well. So thank you very much panel, quick Round of Applause to the guys here. Thank you.

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