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Lou Kerner
Advisory Board Member at Blockchain Coinvestors
Juwan Lee
Chairman and Group CEO at NexChange
Animesh Saxena
Chief Investment Officer, Growmore Group at Growmore Group
Michelle Chivunga
CEO/Founder/Investor at Global Policy House

I'm a VC 100% focused on Crypto at CryptoOracle, best known for starting CryptoMondays, the largest crypto Meetup group in the world. I'm also on the Advisory Board of multiple companies including Blockchain Coinvestors and Silver Castle.

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I am heavily involved in Blockchain, Fintech and Digital Transformation. I am a Speaker, Entrepreneur, Silicon Valley VC, Blockchain/ICO Advisor & Investment Professional. I have 30+ years of Financial Services and Investment Industry experience, managing portfolios and organizations on behalf of multi-billion dollar hedge funds, proprietary trading desks, asset management and VC firms. I am also the Co-founder and Director of the Hong Kong Blockchain Center. I was have worked with some of the world's best-known investment firms including SAC Capital, Rothschild's, Montgomery, and JP Morgan. These days, I am a startup entrepreneur & advocate based in Hong Kong & New York.

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CEO/Investor- Global Policy House and Senior Advisor to several Governments,Multilateral institutions and Family Office Firms and Investment Groups Globally Government of Bermuda - African Union - World Union of Small and Medium Enterprises FinTech4Good - Senator World Business Angels Investment Forum partner African Development Bank

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Call. So I am from The Goldberg decentralized DC. So, basically what you are doing to be interested in talking further, like Sid fishy trounce, and I draw and it's four steps from shut. Interrogation of everyone. Show. Hi, Rick it up this weekend. Everybody. My name is Michelle. Jabongga. I'm the CEO of global policy house, which is the offense taken him. That when company, that is based in the UK. We really focus around. Looking a blockchain infantigo projects across the world, but exciting Emerging Markets, Africa. Is there a particular, you know, you a

huge market for us. And, of course, we're also considering expanding into the Middle East as well. So, thank you very much. Hi everybody. My name is Elena. Ask her and see what a strange Capital. So we are traditional see that focus on energy transportation to gation Space, Industries, and Rosa. I looking for in text. I thought smoke Shannon to fight. So we are working closely with you and yet bro, not official until after the gym and then looking for the project that combine both AI. Blockchain technology has thank you. Hello everyone. My name is Johan Leon.

The founder of next change. We are ecosystem driven Venture Builder. And also I have a family office called arrakis Ventures like market. So let's start from projections because we wanted to see some optimistic projections, my being so everyone will be more fascinated about the future. Because Boo Market is already taken place and that it's not only related to clip. The I think what I see. Like anywhere from Los Angeles, the stock market like spaghetti. You like Robinson Crusoe as a bubble markets and 50 Sonia like small piece and 8 per cent of the oldest coins. It's on the

balance sheet of public companies in the ass. So it means it is by Sofia at the end of their four-year cycle. Forget the clan. It's will be like a different game but then this year and it should not be like the same as four years ago. So what is your prediction for this? Your interests of their Investments for the short and the long term? Show of known as great. A great question. I think it's the projections really. If we're talking more, broadly around investments in in the blockchain ecosystem, you know, this massive

potential. I think, you know, this predictions of about, you know, 16 billion investment to go into production by 2023. So it's it's a market that's really not going anywhere in general. I think we're looking at digital assets of the whole, you know, wasting a lot of grows within which to a space baby. Queen of courses is getting quite a little recognition Night, Special by situational players for the more and more. You see more institutional players coming into the you know, the digital I said Marketplace. I think you're going to see quite a lot of growth over time and a lot of

Investments. I was also going to be channel. That way for us. We're really excited about the space because I think this must have what you need to do. I should invest especially in in, in markets, where, you know, there's less established activity around things. I put the currency African markets, for example, you do Nigeria, take Nigeria for a dump all, this is a very beautiful, very heavy crypto market and then it is growing quite heavy and his massive potential for that continents. I think the statue on top wealth in value from a digital assets. So in terms of protections, I think I see

quite potential for loss of growth by. We going to see of course, you know, ship that thing by institutional players who will come in and introduced himself to the boy little bit. I think I think that's now. It's like there's two at the gym, but I couldn't do the long-term perspective. The market will getting high. So that's it. This is a growth cyclical. I am to always go up and always go down. I mean, this is not a industry that grows in a very straight trajectory. So don't know where the top is, but we definitely are and I'll just I don't think this is the top and

we are just correcting. I believe that we will probably go up and little bit higher on this but in the end, it doesn't matter that institutions come in. I've been an Institutional vest for 30 years and every Grove cyclical does matter how much institutional demand there is always goes down when the cyclical top hits. But if you look at from a long-term, it'll go straight up, but I'll just go in a, in a wave pattern. Thank you so much for you. I was in the in Kenya and Tanzania in February and we spoke with the government about

the approach for taking ization and everyone knows that there are a lot of fake gold mines in Africa. And in past, like comments were like backed by gold. And she's a underground work within the government to come up my baby. Samsung Note like, what is like your room like in you, but kind of similar model, and in terms of Investments, I go there's always a note from the history from many, many like Civilization and generation whenever, like, country or civilization. Oh, by Christian, introduce like go back. It's gonna seem like there, going to be just like,

statistics seeks, like 7000 2. Furious is the same. And what I said, he liked the attention like an object as it was, a gold mines can be like taking eyes it somehow and also showed about like Free Trade Agreement should happen soon. Could you please elaborate on this internet stuff like opportunities? Yeah, absolutely. I'm in a fantastic question. I ask because really shifting. I'll start with the free trade agreement that you mentioned. So Africa's pretty much a form the single union. Now, you know, this is Vicky, 55 African countries where we want to

encourage a lot more intra-regional trade across African countries in. This is really going to boost productivity and industrialization across the continent, you know, it's a massive opportunities. Nothing to do business in the consonant, you know of countries fighting with each other within Africa, but also opportunities for massive cross-border interactions writing and lots of opportunities. What side of Africa to come into Africa, writing a safe environment where you can do business. And you can trade, you know, Africa for me, I see as they the nest of growth continents, very

young person. And lots of young people, lots of young creative minds and certain even within to sort of cryptocurrency space. A lot of the young people are the developers that we're starting to see Nigeria's producing White. Talent at the moment, especially around the developers, so we the free trade area, really. It's more of an opportunity, almost a policy shift, very significant position that will carry Africa for to the next stage and would encourage a lot more, you know, sort of homegrown investment activity to actually take place and will also open up the doors in 04.

International engagement with the continent, where you can come in and do you know, with less risk in our way. Perception of risk with it with the continents, and I was sitting with the African Union, and we're working with the African Union, 3D. A little boost activity within the continent and encourage more investment. So, I do really everybody, I meant governments around the world who actually interact with Africa because Africa is open for business and then Africa's you say is very rich in natural resources, and I think we technology this massive opportunity to watch. You really take

advantage of that and start to build wealth, right? So you start to think about something ization with signs, think about opening up opportunities for descent. Flights finest examples of had already and if these again we could have areopagus quite creative, write your car, lots of artists and musicians Nigeria law and you know, you you have, they afrobeats Enrico Nollywood which is the equivalent to your Hollywood, you know, it's a lot of that is very untappd at the moment. So there's a lot of opportunities for growth. So certainly yes, I think with the natural resources we can start to

see a better auditability of those assets. Right? And we can start to talk and eyes those assets and that she had top. Ask her to go out then the volume a little. So it opens up opportunities for International Business Opportunities where International investors can also be reassured. That the operating in a market where does greater transparency in Greater trust which again, you know, blocks and really brings in her stroller. Thank you a lot. So, I'm thinking about just like, in a few like sides that is like Elsa on the hype right now. I spoke with one of them yesterday and

wasn't sure if I didn't know, if I wasn't sure land registry is what is a blockchain? And in real estate lease a leak in the gas. People usually think nights like future Revenue, but people Siri can take a nice actually Brookhurst and do like I don't like the same as like Arctic ization. When you have like some pieces and migration feel like in terms of a 6 minutes from institutional investment, because you see like real estate. It's like that. I just don't like assets for the wealth management. Like your ass will be like kind of skyrocketing, because you can put everything on

blockchain and then you can sell for the outside or all the lake real estate. I think it's only in the Free Zone where people can invest, but it's all the land registry like that has its origin. Thank you. Do you like wealth management for this like real estate? It's like fractional ownership of all of the stuff is already. I mean, if you ever try to tokenize real estate, you'll come to a very different conclusion. We're very premature still. I think if you look at the actual issuance secondary Market the people

in place licenses, when you think about tokenization a real estate, your talk about espiau's and are the regulations. There's very few licenses available and the secondary Market is very thin. So if you look at the history so far it's been a complete flop in my opinion. So what you have to look at is this ecosystem has to mature more and that's why a lot of the large players aren't actually involved because there's no liquidity in the secondary Market. When you see the issuance their esoteric companies, so there's no large.

There's not, there's not a lot of large companies, putting out a prime rib. State, because their fear of headline risk at this point, I think we're a little bit early in the last cycle. Everybody talked about real estate, tokenization as one of the most promising thing and I think it will be in the long-term or right now. The infrastructure is not there. The licensing is not there and, you know, really who's buying this on the secondary Market. Yeah, I see what from technology going to be like in today in u.s. Like you cannot do like.

Like the concession feels that you took in his future to renew. I can't because like you kind of like have land registry but whenever like all this way just to remove it and I'm going to say, like some of the kind of salary do, like women, just like they just do like a, in kenema smokes, a little, like, onesies to play games, like our options. So there will be no duplicates and no conflicts, because those registry can be basically, owns blockchain. And then once it's on blockchain, you can like sell like pieces of these. And then it's more about democratization of Investments

because in some countries, like people can I play a like to invest on Alyssa Public Market, but it's too late. The best game you have, like 20 or like. Yeah. I know she's my age. And what do you think about like exposing this? Because, usually she, like, Angelo, It's more like a professional job. But what about like public market that session early stages according to the regulations, but I want to tell about one example, so, you know, Russian billionaire, put on and hold her over. And

there are now building by cryptic's change that the US market. That's will the tool at least asked if I could have imagined. And I think that's a script exchanges will be like the next Tramp. Cuz people from the real Capital, real estate Capital who were not yet and they just took Anna, they won, they will not have some guarantees and the real metal can be this kind of guarantee. So I said, Actors in this kind in this direction of a new type of light, bulb chain projects. And

so we focused mainly on technology and Innovation that can I change the this area? In fact, a prospective. So we first of all, of course, we are looking for a strong teams that understanding what they're doing and nothing disrespect. If not in this, high-pitched friends or something, but it won't and perspectives, of course, because of the problem. Why you started your artificial intelligence 1061 on for like 50% in different spheres young? So oh, yeah, it's it's about this right now, so, Optimization down. So the next

trend of 10 years back. We will be at the station. I'll let you in for a real estate agency. State products is mostly about. And Innovation, I personally like face at about, in Genesis, like, bull market so I can 17. It's about people want to exit sometimes quickly and sometimes investor. Stop playing like against the product when the Damned working. That's why you see like a question about whether your mother is a project and then if you're done to predict whether you in there, so do you like playing against the

product itself? Liquidity when people invest directly into the token and they don't have the creation schedule. And when protocol is it on exchanges sometimes investor like dumb. I want to fix depression because it's reading the problem in that they think shortening. I know very few investors who chocolate in the short. Raised about the money and then invest in long-term perspective, something that we can do you like 135 years, for example, rest of my OB z18. What's going on for like $2,000 and they came out and it was like 60 so they raised

the 1.5 billion dollars now, they invest in green mining. So this kind of nutrients. So I think that's if you can make this my short-term and long-term perspective. That's that's the gift for you. Get the wisdom. Shall I know I mean, I was just going to going to talk more in general around, you know, when we talkin about Investments, right? End and different asset classes. I think, you know, it's really important to start thinking in a little bit, bro. I know, you know what? I was going to see, Eli Jackson's. Don't know what to think. What we're

starting to see in the market now, is that genuine interest? And they in in the blockchain space rides and end in r e t starting to understand. Actually, this is an industry that is potentially going to be the next growth industry and lots of investors. Now, it's starting to pay attention to to date to the industry, which I think is also an opportunity for adoption to start to take place on a more wider scale, right. And again, you know, shifting away, if you're going to look at it more from a Global Perspective. It's also a body for, you know, I get back to to, to Africa where a lot

of people are starting to, to discover actually this another place where you do, I can start to look at it at this as a reserve. July 2nd, but I can place my my acid somewhere else, right, especially when you have currency challenges, right? And depreciation the round currency and they seem very strong currency. We got to talk about things like stablecoins, write, an opportunity to utilize stablecoins and I think that's going to only grow, right? Because you're going to start seeing a lot more usage of stablecoins, but I know, of course, you know, around the world, you know, even central

banks are starting to get excited about seeing Ovations and Technology, you know, and it's starting to explore digital currency and I think, again, digital currencies going to play a major role in terms of Shifting the trajectory within this space. So, when you have you, no big central banks around the world was starting to to explore. See, how can we digitized currency? And how can we show that we have programmable money that maybe we can start to utilize across the continent? So we don't know, most kind of missed out on what's happening within the Innovation space. I think his go.

Bishop things a little bit, right? So if you in general, is that, you know, we need to sort of investment trends that we are as we are starting to explore within this phase. You're going to start to see a lot of innovation actually, starting to happen. And Anne Arundel would even hear, you know, what to buy is a really great example, of way Innovation is starting to happen on the wider scale and there's lots of you know, what opportunity for talent to also to develop, right? You could you send young people who are starting to learn about these Technologies and actually changing the lives,

you know, how many parts of the world developing economies many, but you know, young Talent is starting to create their own wealth, you know, and I'm starting to discover the opportunities that for example, cryptocurrency offers in order for them to act as well, in order for them to create a new job opportunities by themselves. So that's why fighting. And I think for us investment Interest, really small round impact, the sustainability driven even within the political space, right? I know there's a lot of a bashing that goes on around. Bitcoin is not a friendly. Sort of, you know, what

space to invest in. But at the end of the day, I think it creates opportunity and it's actually quite inclusive as well. Write the fact that is inclusive offers an opportunity for young people and women to be able to start to create access to wealth for themselves, which I think is absolutely exciting. And we want to try and look at investing into that. And then, of course, at the policy level, the government level is very important that thing for governments around the world to start reading Gage within the space and understand how the space is operating. In order for them to bring in

some reasonable regulation, do what we do need to set in level regulation to protect consumers, protect even innovators. Why in the space. So absolutely fundamental space and I think you're going to see a lot of growth within the Investments based in jello. I just want to make a comment above Market structure. I think this is important. If you look at most crypto hedge funds are like less than 10 million dollars. They have fees of what may be 2 + 20 + 2. + $1,000 is about five or six people. It's not viable to have these funds

without performance. So until they get larger than a Chase performance. That's why they're going to dump their. That's why you have to block ups and the majority of them are small, of course, there's the 10 to 20 that are very large, and they generally have a, much more different view of long-term Investments. And then majority of the larger funds are not actually crypto hedge funds. Are asked you venture funds right now, but much longer-term and they're much more invested in the equity and they get some tokens as a part of their Equity trunch. So what you

have if you look at the market, Picture is that you have Bentley trade tokens, which basically if a start taking profit, they start going down vary dramatically to get a spreader white. So you you're going to get tremendous volatility. And when these things, correct, and Bitcoin, correct, everybody, these things are all correlated to each other. So it puts a downward pressure on all of these, all coins and tokens. So the market structure right now is not set up so that there's not going to be a lot of volatility. It's all set up

to be very volatile. And institutions are not buying all coins. Down to the, you have the tokens. So they may be supporting Bitcoin, but honestly, When Bitcoin starts to drop, they're not going to buy Bitcoin after a while either. So I think we have we still have a lot more maturation of this Market before we start to reduce the volatility and reduced this dumping situation even by those institutional investors who promised not to dump. Yeah, that's sick, rated Drake Equation because sometimes it's damaged and you

see like in last bull market to look for and just died because of this because you know, they don't know how to do treasury management basic skills. And I remember what it was like for you is when some confidence every second was like I am like fish found in lake 21 late and all of them done now because I'm Old Market who sings at the El Que Viet writing. But then on the bear Market, it's actually with a date who's really raising funds, they need to do training because all the markets is volatile. So it's like the Arabs, a hybrid

type of the fans, most likely seems efficient. And yeah, but do you think there will be a kind of reconciliation so that there will be a mic by out of small fans and aggregation to big fans. I think it's just a natural progression of. If you can survive, right? It's not to be regulation, you know, survival of the fittest is how these industries work. So if you have performance in your able to grow assets and you build a business, this institution reminded and start to build a program where you get constant investors coming

through and you're actually trying to build a real business, if you look at, you know, the experience level of these crypto hedge fund managers, they have very little experience course, much more than the last cycle makes become much more institutional, but in that we have a significant problem in this industry because it's an industry missing two zeros on your a um, it's not just 10, right? So it's just not actually large enough yet. So there's going to be these problems and you have to compensate people to be in this kind of industry, right? So raising

assets are also different because if you look at the hedge fund industry, and I was part of Call development of that. If you see that you've had the fund of funds came in and they start to institutionalize creating all sorts of metrics. And but the if you look at the fund of funds in the crypto hedge fund industry, the tiny and there's so few. They're not aggregate. They're not actually have no power to do any allocation. So it's very different industry. I think just about to that you are not. He's been checking for nothing for me. What? I really

am excited about Jeezy's. I want to see a shift even within the investment Market where, you know, we're starting to get a bit more creative and Innovative in how we actually give been placed our investments especially within the production. Space. Part of the challenge, is also missing the right talent and expertise, which is why she wanted was really talking about, you know, with some of the hedge funds and pickles there quite a few as well. We still seeing some challenges around the inclusivity. Again, you know, I go back to the discussion where you know, you've got quite a lot of

exciting new project coming up looking, you know, seeking for investment right, especially within this space and then you find that sometimes people on the other side, don't really understand the project even on the investment side. So even the investor themselves, don't necessarily understand that there's a project, you know, in order for them to to kind of consider the project. Is an issue around skill set and talents and expertise even within the investment circles. And also, how we will look at Ashley deploying Capital has to shift with the time, you know, we have to get to

be more creative and Innovative. And I think even today, we met businesses who are starting to look at that and starting to create a more General digital environment for leaving Investments, which I think it's pretty exciting. And I think will allow most Arabs and you don't companies even gross company skating companies to be able to, to access that Capital University activity in in in, in markets are starting to, to to grow. But also, you know, Cyril, micro-level type of financing and Landon is actually required in certain markets and not necessarily be Simulator videos

about understanding what markets that we are. We are operating and enough. People were quite interested in investing. Any more long-term investment, and impact driver. Sustainable investment reading. We have to kind of thinking a little bit more creative around, how we go about doing that as we as we move post, post that the pandemic. Yeah, so then we almost done in Education of business to educate, like, how to use the new tools because people are not obligated to end because of lack of dislike knowledge and learning curve. They like me some cover tunes to invest even use that. I like

a lot of, like, the Viper, people do not know how to do this. Basically, so then it's more about how to Decatur like people so that they know like what to do. Just simple simple like programs, like for the mass-market. It's a full detail. I'm just talking about institutional part because it's my professional life feels, but also people missing the opportunity, but I already like the technical tools. What is it? Can make investigation to defy products? I think we're almost like 1 minutes and yeah over time. So, thank you

everyone. And thank you for all you do and Shake Round of Applause for a panel. Well done. Well done. It's really nice to meet you, directions, please. For the aerobics.

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